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Old 03-06-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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The serpent tempts man to think that he can figure it out on his OWN. Without the help of his fellow humanity. No one who is living in the midst of other people should ever try to go it alone.

Eve should have trusted what Adam told her, and not questioned it. Why? Because he was her husband and loved her. We have to put our trust in our loved ones, and have faith that they want what is best for us.
So why did Adam eat it?
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Old 03-06-2019, 08:20 AM
 
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So why did Adam eat it?
Obviously he was convinced by Eve that it was a good thing.

Maybe it's about the rational mind (Adam) understanding God and your role in humanity and society, but being tempted by the irrational mind (Eve) questioning God and being led by your emotions.
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Old 03-06-2019, 08:27 AM
 
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Obviously he was convinced by Eve that it was a good thing.

Maybe it's about the rational mind (Adam) understanding God and your role in humanity and society, but being tempted by the irrational mind (Eve) questioning God and being led by your emotions.
Why didnít jesus/god or god/jesus show up to save Adam?
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Old 03-06-2019, 08:30 AM
 
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Why didnít jesus/god or god/jesus show up to save Adam?
Because that's a fantasy video game consisting of a world of robots.

We LEARN by making mistakes, falling, and then pulling ourselves up and trying again.
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Old 03-06-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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Because that's a fantasy video game consisting of a world of robots.

We LEARN by making mistakes, falling, and then pulling ourselves up and trying again.
Do you think Adam committed suicide because god said he was going to kill eve if she ate the fruit?
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Old 03-06-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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In the Dragons of Eden, Carl Sagan takes on the Adam and Eve story and it's a really good read.

I don't have the book at hand, so I'm thin on details of his comparison, but here's the basic gist.

The apple isn't a fruit, it's the knowledge that comes from Eve having the discussion with the serpent (the devil) about Good and Evil. Then, she offers that information to Adam, who entertains the idea although he's been forbidden from considering the Concept of Evil. In many other places in the Bible, the woman is able to offer the man something and he's so overpowered by his desire for her that he doesn't care it's forbidden.

I certainly think we can all come up with examples in our own lives where we've seen that.

The ability to consider abstract thoughts, Good and Evil, is something that's very likely uniquely human, and, Sagan theorizes, is the cause of our brains being so very large compared to other mammals. Abstract ideas are stored in a part of the brain that grew dramatically, quickly, in our evolutionary trek. It is our huge heads, Sagan believes, caused by our ability to consider very abstract ideas, that causes women such pain in childbirth. Other mammals don't have that kind of pain - rather, discomfort.

Sagan is specific about the part of the brain, and brain growth, etc. and the relationship to childbirth pain.

The allegory is stunning, and worth a read.

But. How in the world did the early writers of the Christian Bible have any idea what part of the brain houses the ability to discern good and evil?

There is also something in there about the evolutionary trek of reptiles. That "serpents" - dragon lizard creatures, were the beginning of the legless snakes. They evolved from serpents WITH legs. Now how would the writers of the Bible have known that, that the serpent lost its legs and then was forced to crawl on its belly and eat dust, with the legs being gone?
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Old 03-06-2019, 10:31 AM
 
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Cute you would say pink head-ed since the snake was the serpentine energy that spirals up the spine and at
it's base is the sexual energy they partook of...making them like the animals.
God had such loftier plans...but oh well...they fell to the fleshly lower desires.
and here we are now.
The Caduceus in medicine...

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Old 03-06-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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Why didn’t jesus/god or god/jesus show up to save Adam?
You're not getting the Free Will aspect...God doesn't want puppets or robots that do things 'He'
interferes with!

It's the part of the Game, the Play, the Lila, the Cosmic Dance.
It's the excitement gamblers have in 'the chance'. You throw the dice and see what happens...
how boring to spend eternity for one thing, alone....or with dice that have no free will...they just do what I want...
well, what 'He' wanted was an Epic story of defeat and triumph, love and loss, pain and redemption...and on and on....juicy, eh?
Who wants to watch a romantic comedy for ETERNITY?!
Now THAT would be torture.
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Old 03-06-2019, 12:59 PM
 
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You're not getting the Free Will aspect...God doesn't want puppets or robots that do things 'He'
interferes with!


It's the part of the Game, the Play, the Lila, the Cosmic Dance.
It's the excitement gamblers have in 'the chance'. You throw the dice and see what happens...
how boring to spend eternity for one thing, alone....or with dice that have no free will...they just do what I want...
well, what 'He' wanted was an Epic story of defeat and triumph, love and loss, pain and redemption...and on and on....juicy, eh?
Who wants to watch a romantic comedy for ETERNITY?!
Now THAT would be torture.
Youíre right. The free will excuse is use to excuse god from not taking any accountability for what is screwed up creating.
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Old 03-06-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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The serpent in the Garden of Eden, Noah's harbinger, etc. are said by some to be attributed to Enki and Enlil...Yin/Yang. Interestingly, some refer to Lucifer as 'The Light Bearer'.
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