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Old 12-05-2014, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The simple answer is that NO laws apply AS law. The Point of Jesus' ministry is that law in itself is inadequate for social intercourse, and that what is required is a commitment to concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation. Law breeds lawyers, love breeds community. The NEW commandment, the commandment that governs the new covenant is that concern that is agape.
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Old 12-05-2014, 07:06 AM
 
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Agape (Yes, I know what the greek means) always makes me think of a lot of people going round with their jaws hanging open.

Nevertheless, law codes is what we need to give a society fair structure. relying on 'Love' is a dodgy business, since so often it seems to mean beating up on the opposition until they accept the system of laws your religion teaches are the right ones.
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Old 12-05-2014, 07:12 AM
 
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Agape (Yes, I know what the greek means) always makes me think of a lot of people going round with their jaws hanging open.
LOL! Same here.
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Old 12-05-2014, 07:23 AM
 
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All 10 Commandments remained in force, except that the Sabbath was
changed to Sunday. have a nice day !
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:40 AM
 
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In these discussion we have here, frequently some apologist will say something to the effect that, as far as the laws in the OT are concerned, "The laws in the OT are Mosaic laws created by God strictly for the Israelites and don't apply to the rest of us".

OK, let's accept that.

Then why are so many of the OT admonitions brought forward? Things like homosexuality, like the ten commandments etc. etc.

How do apologists determine which OT rules are to be followed, and which ones don't apply?
Some are clearly laws given ONLY to the ancient Israelites, others are universal. This is a good read on it if you are actually interested:

Leviticus18:22 | homosexuality | Old Testament | Law | shellfish | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:43 AM
 
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All 10 Commandments remained in force, except that the Sabbath was
changed to Sunday. have a nice day !
Ohhh, I would just love to see you try to prove that biblically...
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:47 AM
 
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Shows they have no idea what homosexuality is and no idea of what Paul was referring to in Romans.
Suuurre...
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Old 12-05-2014, 09:47 AM
 
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Some are clearly laws given ONLY to the ancient Israelites, others are universal. This is a good read on it if you are actually interested:

Leviticus18:22 | homosexuality | Old Testament | Law | shellfish | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Nice, linking to a site that proclaims the bible is inspired and without error aka a fundie site. Why is his opinion any different than mine, one who doesn't bible is without error?
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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In these discussion we have here, frequently some apologist will say something to the effect that, as far as the laws in the OT are concerned, "The laws in the OT are Mosaic laws created by God strictly for the Israelites and don't apply to the rest of us".

OK, let's accept that.

Then why are so many of the OT admonitions brought forward? Things like homosexuality, like the ten commandments etc. etc.

How do apologists determine which OT rules are to be followed, and which ones don't apply?

Law on the one hand is the measurement of sin, on the other it defines what God sees as abominations.


Laws are written in humans' hearts, however humans will gradually harden their hearts as time goes by. Mosaic Law is an attempt to make certain laws in a written form for the Jews to follow. The Jews can thus focus on these laws, and together with their faith in God they will be redeemed.


As for the gentiles, the Law written in hearts is in place. So there could be overlapping between the law written in hearts (for gentiles) and the Law in written form (for Jews), such as most of the 10 commandments. However, the gentiles' hearts may have already been hardened to recognize.

Still the gentiles can be redeemed through faith alone, even when their hearts are hardened to follow the Law. That's God's Grace through Christ.

It by no means says that the OT Law can be completely ignored. Under NT, its form has been changed as "Christ's teaching" instead of "OT Law". This is so because Law is a measure of sin while a teaching is not, from a legal point of view. However, a teaching is a reflection of faith. Faith without work (by Christ's teaching) is dead.

Christians thus will still follow Christ teaching to become holy in God's eye.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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Nice, linking to a site that proclaims the bible is inspired and without error aka a fundie site. Why is his opinion any different than mine, one who doesn't bible is without error?

If you don't want to believe it, then don't. I honestly don't care. But I gave a source with a reasonably well thought-out source by a guy who has a Master's of Divinity from a very reputable Seminary. He's a very good apologist, and knows what he is doing.

In any event, if you can't even figure out what parts are inspired and what aren't....why should I believe a thing you say?
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