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Old 01-04-2008, 10:47 AM
 
Location: South FL
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Well, I can't speak for others, but as I said in my initial post, for me the most defining issue is abortion. As long as the Democratic party embraces abortion "rights" and the Republican party does not, I will remain a Republican.

My husband teases me and calls me a "closet Democrat" because regarding many social issues, I have a tendency to lean to the left, but again....I guess I am one of those "one issue voters." The fact is a lot of things are important but IMO abortion trumps everything else.
I can understand that, and I'm pro-life myself, but I guess, like you said, it's all about the priorities of individuals. To me, abortion is a sensitive issue, but I believe that it is never going to be outlawed and if it will, it will be a disaster, because these young girls will still do abortions left and right, just illegally and less safely. So therefore, AT LEAST FOR ME, I can't put this as a priority while our kids (the fetuses that are already born) are dying in Iraq for nothing.
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:22 AM
 
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How do you define a TRUE Christian?

I won't vote for Huckabee in part because I don't want a president who doesn't accept science.
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Not to strain off topic, there is no such thing as Judeo/Christian. It's either Judaism or Christianity. 2 opposite and different religions.
Seems you have a penchant for "straining of topic".

How 'bout a new thread? and this one will stay on the OP.
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Nanaimo, Canada
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Modern day fallasy. It's not how this country was founded.
The true fallacy, I'm afraid, is that religion should have any place in the political arena.

Regardless of our personal views, religion and politics do not mix. It's been proven time and time again -- the Crusades, while overused as an example, are still a prominent one. Many of them were launched purely for political and/or religious gain.

Every time someone brings this up this topic, there's inevitably a wave of differing opinions. Christian sees different than Pagan sees different from Bahá'í.

It's never going to stop, nor will it ever be a clear-cut issue; as long as we allow religion to color our politics, there will be no 'middle ground' -- someone is always going to lose.
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:29 AM
 
Location: South FL
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Seems you have a penchant for "straining of topic".

How 'bout a new thread? and this one will stay on the OP.

It's ok, I already stated my point.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:00 PM
 
Location: New England
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I can understand that, and I'm pro-life myself, but I guess, like you said, it's all about the priorities of individuals. To me, abortion is a sensitive issue, but I believe that it is never going to be outlawed and if it will, it will be a disaster, because these young girls will still do abortions left and right, just illegally and less safely. So therefore, AT LEAST FOR ME, I can't put this as a priority while our kids (the fetuses that are already born) are dying in Iraq for nothing.
While I understand that we all can't agree on everything it simply boggles my mind that people can look aside at the abortion issue...innocent life being taken in the name of birth control.

Over 42 MILLION abortions about 1.4 million per year (And those are the figures we actually know about) have been performed in the United States. It's our #1 killer.

Tearing a baby apart limb from limb and flushing it down a sink is simply disgusting and reprehensible.

The 4000 or so soldiers in Iraq who were killed, last I checked were there as volunteers and WANTED to fight in the armed forces. (God Bless their souls!)

As for people going underground if abortion is outlawed...even if 10% are stupid enough to break the law and do, you just stopped 1,260,000 babies from being put to death PER YEAR in the name of birth control.

When we want it, it's a baby, when we want to kill it, it's a "fetus".

Abortion is a huge black eye and needs to be stopped so yea, to me it's a big priority. Right there with terrorism if not more important.

How would anyone feel about voting for a candidate if he was "okay" with slavery either way..."hey if you, don't want a slave, don't get one." Well the issues are pretty similar when you look at them.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:02 PM
 
Location: New England
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How do you define a TRUE Christian?

I won't vote for Huckabee in part because I don't want a president who doesn't accept science.

LOL I almost fell over with that quote! I think what you mean is I don't want a president who will not accept the THEORY of evolution as fact.

Christians certaily do accept science...there are plenty of intelligent design people out there, and many Christian scientists. lol
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:04 PM
 
Location: New England
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The true fallacy, I'm afraid, is that religion should have any place in the political arena.

Regardless of our personal views, religion and politics do not mix. It's been proven time and time again -- the Crusades, while overused as an example, are still a prominent one. Many of them were launched purely for political and/or religious gain.
Well from your Canadian perspective I can understand why you would think the greatest nation on the face of the Earth was a "mistake" - shame on those Christians for starting a nation based on Judeo-Christian principles.

I won't even get into the crusade debate and de-rail this thread...all I'll say is do some actualy unbiased research.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:05 PM
 
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There are a lot of Christians who accept evolution too.

I don't want a president who can't accept the scientific evidence that the world is older than 6000 years.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:11 PM
 
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LOL I almost fell over with that quote! I think what you mean is I don't want a president who will not accept the THEORY of evolution as fact.

Christians certaily do accept science...there are plenty of intelligent design people out there, and many Christian scientists. lol
I always find it funny how conservatives put emphasis on the **theory** of evolution and then refer to "intelligent design" as science (as opposed the THEORY of God and creationism). Sure, the contents of evolution is all theory...but then again, so can the majority of all science. However, the THEORY of the theory of evolution is a fact...as opposed to Christians trying to argue the creationism is beyond a theory, but a fact. Follow me?
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