Is Huckabee the only choice for TRUE Christians? (Mormon, priests, faith)

[Lindsey_Mcfarren]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

I haven't heard Huckabee do any of that.

Perhaps there's a YouTube video or news story you could share.

If so, please do.

LOL, I don't pay attention to YouTube for anything other then cutesy pet short films.

I don't care for what he stands for and what he would pass as law if elected. You have to know what I refer to.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by Lindsey_Mcfarren

LOL, I don't pay attention to YouTube for anything other then cutesy pet short films.

I don't care for what he stands for and what he would pass as law if elected. You have to know what I refer to.

What I know is that this American citizen is unashamedly Christian.

What I think is that because he admits to being a Christian, every single negative Christian stereotype is now being applied to him by default.

Wonder what would happen if I started a thread and started applying every negative black stereotype to Obama...or every female stereotype to Hillary, I'd be flamed and blasted and rightfully so. But a professing Christian is open season.

You guys(all of you) are usually very good posters and capable of holding amazingly intelligent conversations. That you can't see the hypocrisy in the way you're applying unprovable and unsubstantiated things to Huckabee is a disappointment.

[bigthirsty]

Not by default.. by his own words. He isn't getting labled the sterotypical Christian (that people don't like) just because he is Christian. He is getting labled that because he is the sterotypical Christian people don't like.

See here for proof!

Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee

You show me some sterotypical black things Obama has done and I think it would be a great thread.

My favorite quote is:

"So, if you think about it, the number of laws that we have is directly proportionate to the moral confusion of our society. The less confused we are morally, the fewer laws are necessary."

I read it as.. "If ya'll would just go to church and accept Jesus we wouldn't need all these silly laws.."

As an American I find it offense. As a sinning Christian I find his comment ignorant.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

"So, if you think about it, the number of laws that we have is directly proportionate to the moral confusion of our society. The less confused we are morally, the fewer laws are necessary."

bigthirsty, you seriously disagree with that statement?

I'd think that statement would be thought of to be true whether from a Christian, Muslim, or atheist. That seems like a 'no-brainer' (even though I hate that phrase).

[Alpha8207]

Also, how about this quote from Huckabee, it sure seems to be a contradiction on the mindset Lindsey pointed out:

"I have to make sure that I stay fresh with my personal walk with God. At the same time, I don't use the law or my position to impose faith. I certainly feel the freedom to share my faith and use it as a point of influence, but I have to stop just short of ever coercing people into a point of view because I have a position of authority."

[Lindsey_Mcfarren]

I don't believe a man's religion should be part of his run for office. He is making his religion front and center in order to win.

What would happen if Romney did this with his Mormonism?

I know its hard for some christians to understand but there are alot of people out here who are not christian and we want to feel like he is our president as well. Its VERY clear that will not be the case of someone like Huckabee is elected.

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by JViello

Not really...both are "unproven" and both seem to have science to back them up. Why is one being taught as fact and one being taught as a fairytail?

From my perspective and research (Been on both sides...you?) I find the arguement for intelligent design much more logical, but that's my "opinion".

Follow me?

Evolution is a theory based on the scientific data and evidence available. All the data and evidence available. The theory is adapted and changed as new data and evidence becomes known.

Intelligent design picks and chooses which data to believe in, and uses that data to support its argument. It is not a true scientific theory because it dismisses any data that doesn't support it. Science accepts that theories must be discarded or changed as new information comes to light. Intelligent design tries to reinterpret data to fit its argument, rather than change the argument to fit the data. That's the difference, so regardless of how logical intelligent design may seem, it's not science.

Huckabee has stated that he doesn't accept evolution as scientific fact. And he shouldn't, evolution isn't fact. But most scientists agree that it is the theory that best explains the presence of humans on this planet. Huckabee isn't a scientist, so he can choose to believe whatever he wants, but as President, he has an obligation to all the citizens of the United States to be impartial in his service to his country, and not to let his religious beliefs intercede in any way that the rights of any one group of citizens are held in higher regard than the rights of any other groups.

DC

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by Lindsey_Mcfarren

I don't believe a man's religion should be part of his run for office. He is making his religion front and center in order to win.

What would happen if Romney did this with his Mormonism?

I know its hard for some christians to understand but there are alot of people out here who are not christian and we want to feel like he is our president as well. Its VERY clear that will not be the case of someone like Huckabee is elected.

I understand that. I really do.

But is Huckabee really making Christianity front and center or are Christians making his Christianity front and center.

Also, I think the Mormon issue has been just as much front and center as Huckabee's faith, there's just not quite as many LDSers I guess.

I hear what you're saying Lindsey, I really do. But I hope you realize that whoever I vote for, it will because their views and opinions match mine, not whether or not their faith matches mine.

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

bigthirsty, you seriously disagree with that statement?

I'd think that statement would be thought of to be true whether from a Christian, Muslim, or atheist. That seems like a 'no-brainer' (even though I hate that phrase).

A really do disagree with his statement. I disagree from a concerned citizens standpoint because I truly believe Huckabee would impose his religious beliefs on those who aren't Christians.

I disagree from a Christian standpoint for many many reasons..

When does a person become morally confused? Before he commited the crime or after? Were the Catholic priests who took advantage of boys thought to be morally confused before they got caught? I doubt it or else they wouldn't have been priests. Yet they accepted Jesus and still committed the crimes.

Or..

Were they morally confused after the act? Well then if we didn't have the laws in place to tell us that what they did was morally wrong they wouldn't have ever been wrong..

So from that standpoint.. I think is his statement is ignorant becasue from my Christian view (which I know differs from others) we are all sinners no matter how great we think we are. Thus we have to have laws in place to protect each other.. from each other..

Saying that if we were all more "morally centered" (whatever that is) we'd have less laws is.. well in my mind ridiculous.

but again.. just my opinion.

[JViello]

Originally Posted by MomtoFour

Evolution is a scientific theory. There is evidence to support it. You can discuss the evidence. And yes, you can watch certain species evolve. So it belongs in a science class.

Creationism is a religious belief. It belongs in church.

Remember, if we let religion determine our science, we'd all still believe the sun revolved around the earth. Christianity does not have a good track record when it comes to science.

Well that's not true at all...in fact many scientific things over the ages were not in spite of the Bible but inspired BECAUSE of it. You can't make blanket statements like "The church believed the sun revolved around the earth". You just can't.

If yo don't think science doesn't back up creation, you might be interested to know there is plenty of "evidence" that says it happened that way. It's not blind "faith" as you say.

If you really care, here are a few links.

Institute for Creation Research - A Christ-Focused Creation Ministry

Creation Evidence Museum - Can we Know the God of Creation? Who Am I? Where Did I Come From? What Is My Purpose Here? Where Am I Going? Learn the scientific evidence for creation and the answers to many of life's important questions

Creation: ‘where’s the proof?’

Science and the Bible

There is more out there if you really want to take a look.

I'm not asking you to believe in creation, but understand that those of us who do are intelligent, rational people who are not "under the control of the church" or "blind stupid people" or whatever.