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Old 07-11-2015, 04:42 PM
 
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Well that is true and they are mirrored by the liberal believers too. Liberal unfundies if you will. Two sides of the same coin.

Neither "side" really pays attention to God or facts.
Alas, it 'tis those pesky facts that really define God...
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Old 07-13-2015, 08:20 AM
 
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Nope. I can be wrong. However a genuine study would be able to provide verifiable and testable evidence I was wrong.

I started my study with an inclination toward one belief and after studying what scholars and historians presented as testable and verifiable evidence, and the scholars believed what I was inclined towards, I found ... it was false. Most people do a study with those who believe as they do and only get superficial info on opposing views. In my case the "opposing" views were in conflict with the testable and verifiable evidence those supporting the view presented.
Good for you. So we can conclude that your beliefs are at least more informed than average.

Testable, verifiable evidence is always in short supply when it comes to theistic ideation. You should share sometime what evidence this is.
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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Good for you. So we can conclude that your beliefs are at least more informed than average.

Testable, verifiable evidence is always in short supply when it comes to theistic ideation. You should share sometime what evidence this is.
Thank you.

I did post some evidence a few pages back on translating John 1:1 and it is just the tip of the iceberg. The vast majority of the translations were from ...... Trinitarians. Their teachers never show them a fraction of what is available on the issue. They don't dare.
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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Alas, it 'tis those pesky facts that really define God...
Yes the facts he provides.
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Old 07-13-2015, 02:49 PM
 
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Thank you.

I did post some evidence a few pages back on translating John 1:1 and it is just the tip of the iceberg. The vast majority of the translations were from ...... Trinitarians. Their teachers never show them a fraction of what is available on the issue. They don't dare.
Oh. Well Unitarianism is probably something I would subscribe to if I had remained a theist. I think it's a moderately more justified position within Christian theism, and sure, trinitarians being the victors in the dogma wars, like all victors, got to write the history of their conquest, influence the translations, and the interpretations.

But I took evidential standards and requirements quite a bit beyond that.
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Old 07-13-2015, 06:11 PM
 
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Oh. Well Unitarianism is probably something I would subscribe to if I had remained a theist. I think it's a moderately more justified position within Christian theism, and sure, trinitarians being the victors in the dogma wars, like all victors, got to write the history of their conquest, influence the translations, and the interpretations.

But I took evidential standards and requirements quite a bit beyond that.
We should. In the case of John 1:1 as an example, the Greek language/grammar is against the trinitarian version, the trinitarian scholars agree on it not being quite what people think it is and similar verses with the same word, syntax are translated in harmony with grammar and only John 1:1 is not translated in harmony with the others.

I have done the same with Evolution, as an example, and it also fails when the evidence is examined in the light of the facts involved. Genetics is really destroying that "belief".
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Old 07-13-2015, 07:15 PM
 
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Yes the facts he provides.
God actually provide NOTHING. It was MEN who composed the books and gave God the credit--much like a Stephen King book where he gives the credit to Richard Bachman--just doesn't prove Bachman is REAL or that Bachman actually wrote or provided the material for the book.
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Old 07-13-2015, 07:49 PM
 
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We should. In the case of John 1:1 as an example, the Greek language/grammar is against the trinitarian version, the trinitarian scholars agree on it not being quite what people think it is and similar verses with the same word, syntax are translated in harmony with grammar and only John 1:1 is not translated in harmony with the others.

I have done the same with Evolution, as an example, and it also fails when the evidence is examined in the light of the facts involved. Genetics is really destroying that "belief".
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Old 07-14-2015, 07:51 AM
 
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Looking up to God now are you?
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Old 07-14-2015, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Looking up to God now are you?
You really do have delusions of grandeur.
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