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Unread 01-07-2008, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Granite City, Illinois
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Default Reading "Unwritten letters"

Reading the "Unwritten"

Friends of the Living God!

It is high time to get serious and shake up the world, as servants of the Lamb had done in centuries past.

In Hebrew grammar, we have two rules about "reading the Unwritten." A) Frequently, prefixes to participles and nouns "suppress" (Unwritten) the first letter of the word they are prefixed to. The translator must "read the Unwritten" in order to translate the word. B) On the other hand, frequently, suffixes to a participle or noun "suppress" (Unwritten) the last letter of the word. C) Sometimes, both the first and last letters of a three-letter Hebrew word are "suppressed" (Unwritten). There are thousands of examples to the truth of these rules, but one should be sufficient.

Strong's #5414: NTN - giving - 1,023 Xs. [Hebrew reads right to left, unlike English, which reads left to right. But then, with NTN it would not matter, would it?]

Numbers 22.13: YT-T-L. This is translated, "to (L) giving [N]T[N} of Me (YT).

So then, the letter "T" alone was [N]T[N}, translated, "giving."

KJV: "the Lord refuseth to give (!) me leave to go ..."
Geneva Bible: "the Lord hath refused to give (!) me leave to go ...
LXX: "the Lord refuseth to give (!) me leave to go ..."

"Isn't that grand?"

Now then, the problem is that the Greek Scripture must have the "Unwritten letters read" also.
But no one did it!

I was reading a post where the man told of his belief that the word "godhead" is in the Bible. But this is not true. Not even close!

NO GODHEAD!

First Corinthians 11.3: "But I desire you seeing that the Head of all man is Anointed, but Head of woman is man, and Head of Anointed is the God."

NOTE: This means that there is no "godhead" and no "trinity." A) Anointed (Jesus) is not the Head. B) The 7 Spirits were "received" by the Lamb (Rev 5.12). C) The Spirit is subject the Anointed, and the Anointed is subject to the God. So then, there is NO GODHEAD! Also, there is NO TRINITY!

EXAMINING FAKE WORDS "GODHEAD."

Acts 17.29: the (to) God (The[os]) holy ([ag]ion.} Or, "the holy God."

The "Unwritten letters" were just as our example in Numbers 22.13. We have the Spirit of God, we do not need all the letters written out for us!

Rom 1.20: and (kai) of the (tes) God (The[os]) holy ([ag]ion). Or, the holy God.

Col 2.9. of the (te) God (the[os]) [of] the (te) wheat ([si]tos) - Strong's #4621.

Heb 8.6: new (ne[os]) law (nomo[os]) God (The[os]) the (te) -- tai - case ending.
"new law of the God" translated "established" (#3549); recorded 1 X only.

Heb 7.11: she (aute) the (to) new (ne[os]) law (mono[s]) [of] the (te) God (The[os]); translated "receive" - 1 X only.

It is my opinion, that almost all "one time only definitions" are wrong.

Paul explained this "spiritual operation" in these words:

"But the natural man receives not the [things] of the Spirit of the God, for they are foolishness to him, and not he is able to know, for they are spiritually discerned" - 1Cor 2.14.

The "Seven Spirits of God" are the difference between light and darkness.. Do you have them?

http://www.geocities.com/sidwms_web/

sl33w
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Unread 01-07-2008, 06:02 PM
 
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Interesting reading, My question is, if they are Unwritten Letters, then how can you read them, and if that's the case, there would seem to me that they are open up to everyone's interpretation, whatever they may be, just my observation.

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Unread 01-08-2008, 03:48 PM
 
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To: Putnum

The Hebrew translators all read "Unwritten letters."

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Unread 01-08-2008, 07:31 PM
 
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To: Putnum

The Hebrew translators all read "Unwritten letters."

sl33w
Not being familiar with that culture, I was just curious as to why they call them Unwritten letters, to me that sounds like a contradiction in terms, how can you read something that is unwritten? Perhaps you could explain this, so that it could be better understood. Just asking a question.
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Unread 01-09-2008, 12:49 PM
 
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Reading the "Unwritten"

Friends of the Living God!

It is high time to get serious and shake up the world, as servants of the Lamb had done in centuries past.

In Hebrew grammar, we have two rules about "reading the Unwritten." A) Frequently, prefixes to participles and nouns "suppress" (Unwritten) the first letter of the word they are prefixed to. The translator must "read the Unwritten" in order to translate the word. B) On the other hand, frequently, suffixes to a participle or noun "suppress" (Unwritten) the last letter of the word. C) Sometimes, both the first and last letters of a three-letter Hebrew word are "suppressed" (Unwritten). There are thousands of examples to the truth of these rules, but one should be sufficient.

Strong's #5414: NTN - giving - 1,023 Xs. [Hebrew reads right to left, unlike English, which reads left to right. But then, with NTN it would not matter, would it?]

Numbers 22.13: YT-T-L. This is translated, "to (L) giving [N]T[N} of Me (YT).

So then, the letter "T" alone was [N]T[N}, translated, "giving."

KJV: "the Lord refuseth to give (!) me leave to go ..."
Geneva Bible: "the Lord hath refused to give (!) me leave to go ...
LXX: "the Lord refuseth to give (!) me leave to go ..."

"Isn't that grand?"

Now then, the problem is that the Greek Scripture must have the "Unwritten letters read" also.
But no one did it!

I was reading a post where the man told of his belief that the word "godhead" is in the Bible. But this is not true. Not even close!

NO GODHEAD!

First Corinthians 11.3: "But I desire you seeing that the Head of all man is Anointed, but Head of woman is man, and Head of Anointed is the God."

NOTE: This means that there is no "godhead" and no "trinity." A) Anointed (Jesus) is not the Head. B) The 7 Spirits were "received" by the Lamb (Rev 5.12). C) The Spirit is subject the Anointed, and the Anointed is subject to the God. So then, there is NO GODHEAD! Also, there is NO TRINITY!

EXAMINING FAKE WORDS "GODHEAD."

Acts 17.29: the (to) God (The[os]) holy ([ag]ion.} Or, "the holy God."

The "Unwritten letters" were just as our example in Numbers 22.13. We have the Spirit of God, we do not need all the letters written out for us!

Rom 1.20: and (kai) of the (tes) God (The[os]) holy ([ag]ion). Or, the holy God.

Col 2.9. of the (te) God (the[os]) [of] the (te) wheat ([si]tos) - Strong's #4621.

Heb 8.6: new (ne[os]) law (nomo[os]) God (The[os]) the (te) -- tai - case ending.
"new law of the God" translated "established" (#3549); recorded 1 X only.

Heb 7.11: she (aute) the (to) new (ne[os]) law (mono[s]) [of] the (te) God (The[os]); translated "receive" - 1 X only.

It is my opinion, that almost all "one time only definitions" are wrong.

Paul explained this "spiritual operation" in these words:

"But the natural man receives not the [things] of the Spirit of the God, for they are foolishness to him, and not he is able to know, for they are spiritually discerned" - 1Cor 2.14.

The "Seven Spirits of God" are the difference between light and darkness.. Do you have them?

http://www.geocities.com/sidwms_web/

sl33w
why are you mixing 3 languages to prove a point. ok we got that English reads different than Greek and Hebrew . Most of us understand that each language says things different and could have very close meaning. Help us understand your point. I thought that the Tanakh and the Torah were written in hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. So why are you applying Hebrew language rules to the Greek written language.It is Very interesting theory.
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Unread 01-09-2008, 03:50 PM
 
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Hebrew MSS: YT - T - L = to (L) giving ([N]T[N]) of me (YT).

Strong's #5414: NTN = giving 1,023 times.

The 2 letters "N" are "Unwritten" in some verses; and only the letter "T" was written.

There are thousands of examples of this in the Hebrew Scripture.

I quoted: Geneva Bible, KJV, Septuagint (but there are others) translating the letter "T" as "NTN."

The same is true in Greek. A phrase was record with only abbreviations for complete words.

But the Greek translators (unlike the Hebrew translators) have missed the point.

Even the names of "God" are mistranslated because of this ignorance.

The[os][ag]ion = holy (agion) God (Theos).

But it was translated "godhead"; which word is not in the Bible.

Read my other examples above.

sl33w
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Unread 01-09-2008, 04:00 PM
 
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It is (a) difficult to read your OP as you've elected to post in a very small type (not a good idea imo) and (b) your references are somewhat out of context.

What are you sourcing specifically?
What body of work are you studying?
What numeric pad are you hitting to determine the absence or presence of the translations?
What languages are you comparing and contrasting?

And are you using Hebrew to Greek to English?
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Unread 01-09-2008, 04:05 PM
 
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Isa 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
The salvation story is simple. Whenever I hear the words "mistranslation" or "hidden meaning necessary for salvation understood by only a few" I run very fast in the opposite direction.
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Unread 01-09-2008, 05:06 PM
 
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Equally confused, but somewhat intrigued by the numerics of the quotes.

English, for example, also has "unspoken letters" but they are written. Hebrew has evolved over time from ancient to modern, and some letters have been altered but to say they are "unwritten letters" raises the spectre of the mystics and Kabbalah.


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why are you mixing 3 languages to prove a point. ok we got that English reads different than Greek and Hebrew . Most of us understand that each language says things different and could have very close meaning. Help us understand your point. I thought that the Tanakh and the Torah were written in hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. So why are you applying Hebrew language rules to the Greek written language.It is Very interesting theory.
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Unread 01-09-2008, 05:25 PM
 
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Equally confused, but somewhat intrigued by the numerics of the quotes.

English, for example, also has "unspoken letters" but they are written. Hebrew has evolved over time from ancient to modern, and some letters have been altered but to say they are "unwritten letters" raises the spectre of the mystics and Kabbalah.
I thought that it was part of the Kabbalah.
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