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Old 02-19-2015, 04:34 PM
 
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Viz, you've been schooled by a dozen of your logical betters on this one.

Your morality is as subjective as anyone's because it's based on your OPINION that the biblical God is real and your OPINION that he instills morality.
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Old 02-19-2015, 04:34 PM
 
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Being able to think without directives from a non-existent source.
Please continue. What does your ability to formulate an opinion have to do with whether or not you can know what is moral?
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Old 02-19-2015, 04:35 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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I'm sorry...have I offended you in some way? What do you believe would happen in the Middle East? What are you suggesting?
You would learn that your absolute beliefs are not so absolute and unappreciated as a method in telling others how to live.
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Old 02-19-2015, 04:35 PM
 
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Viz, you've been schooled by a dozen of your logical betters on this one.

Your morality is as subjective as anyone's because it's based on your OPINION that the biblical God is real and your OPINION that he instills morality.
Read this thread alone and you'll see that I've exposed all sorts of holes in their logic.
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Old 02-19-2015, 04:36 PM
 
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So you tell me. Where does morality come from?
I told you a few posts ago and you refuse to consider it.

Pay attention.
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Old 02-19-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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I was responding to a poster that suggested there was "no evidence" for the existence of God. I gave 3 specific arguments that are very good arguments. Each of them is evidence for it. You can continue with the charade that there is no evidence if you want, but it's a lie. You just haven't seen any evidence you like.
And you continue to insist that there is evidence, yet no proof of this god of yours.

The lie is you insisting that only you know the truth and anyone who disagree with you just has to be wrong.

BTW, your statement that you haven't seen any evidence you like applies to you and all of your arguments.
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Old 02-19-2015, 04:41 PM
 
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Please continue. What does your ability to formulate an opinion have to do with whether or not you can know what is moral?
Even though you refuse to admit, it answers your question.
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Old 02-19-2015, 04:42 PM
 
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Read this thread alone and you'll see that I've exposed all sorts of holes in their logic.
In only your imagination.
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Old 02-19-2015, 05:17 PM
 
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I was responding to a poster that suggested there was "no evidence" for the existence of God. I gave 3 specific arguments that are very good arguments. Each of them is evidence for it. You can continue with the charade that there is no evidence if you want, but it's a lie. You just haven't seen any evidence you like.
And again, arguments are not evidence. I can make the argument that a purple elephant lives under my bed, but that does not provide evidence that a purple elephant lives under my bed.
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Old 02-19-2015, 06:15 PM
 
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Short answer: No . . . but God is . . . otherwise morality is a vapid and vacuous term dependent upon human caprice. Unfortunately, we cannot escape the pragmatic reality that we have to subjectively determine the specifics of morality.
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So you tell me. Where does morality come from?
The concept of morality comes from God. It becomes legitimate because God exists and establishes a purpose for our existence.
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Are you willing to concede that God defines morality?
Only indirectly . . . God establishes our purpose and our purpose defines morality. What is constructive to our purpose is moral. What is destructive to our purpose is immoral. What has nothing to do with our purpose is amoral.
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