Why do people hate each other so much over religion? (Holy Spirit, bible)

[Timemachineman]

How many people will set aside their immaturity and excessive pride, to the point where they aren't making hateful comments over the Internet, trying to make people of other beliefs mad? Here's another challenge: try to surround yourself with people of other religious beliefs more often, or just try to get to know people of different beliefs more often. And most importantly, keep your mouth shut about your beliefs, unless they ask. And if your new acquaintence gets mad about your beliefs being different from his/hers, don't start arguing with them or making negative statements about their beliefs. If they're going to be ignorant, let them. There are a lot of people who wouldn't have developed the religious ignorance they have if someone else weren't just as ignorant. Who knows, if you act nice towards people like that, some of them may be impressed by it and change their ways. It has worked for me several times, so nobody can say it's impossible. This hatred has spread all over the U.S., and possibly many other countries, and many people of differing religious beliefs immediately assume stereotypes to be true upon meeting other IMMEDIATELY, let's stop this ignorance.

[teakboat]

Discrimination and prejudice can be valuable and convenient tools, based on prior experiences. It is how human brains process information and experiences and people use that information to their own benefit as they travel through their lives. To deny this is unnatural and contrary to the truth. I think I am open minded but I have had enough personal experience with the muslim religion. I do not want to be further "educated" about islam, thanks.

[Miami HurricaneZ]

Originally Posted by _redbird_

Well said.

Kudos to Coach Bob Stoops for standing with his players in protest.

Thanks. I have always liked Coach Stoops (Even when he was with the evil Gators). I think it was totally the right thing to do. We can only hope the Sooners will have a much better year.

[Gunluvver2]

Matthew 18:20 : Possibly the best argument of all time against "organized" religion.

[Timemachineman]

Originally Posted by teakboat

Discrimination and prejudice can be valuable and convenient tools, based on prior experiences. It is how human brains process information and experiences and people use that information to their own benefit as they travel through their lives. To deny this is unnatural and contrary to the truth. I think I am open minded but I have had enough personal experience with the muslim religion. I do not want to be further "educated" about islam, thanks.

There's nothing wrong with suspicion or distrust of somebody really, I'm just saying that people need to stop acting like ass holes to everyone because they have the arrogance to assume that the ideals of others can't be just as good as their own. I've honestly never trusted anyone my entire life, so I can see your point about discrimination/prejudice.

[Ace_TX]

Originally Posted by Timemachineman

Sorry, I felt like making religious intolerance a (peaceful and civil) discussion topic, and [b]hopefully change people's views of one another to tolerance.[b]This idea was mainly fueled by the recent Atheism vs. Christianity debates occurring all over the Internet, but there are still hateful conversations between other groups over simple religious disagreement. So, why do YOU think people get so angry in religious discussions, and what are some possible solutions to this epidemic?

bolded.

eh?

noone is required or needs to accept anothers views

agree to disagree and leave it at that

the concept of "tolerance" is misunderstood

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people get too caught up in this religion thing. Religion is a personal choice, noone is required or even needs to be part of a religious group but some choose to

same with athiest, great your an athiest woohoo! but when you hate people who chose to follow a religious group or you want everyone to be a nonbeliver like you, you are just as bad as the people you hate

everybody just needs to stay in their own lane, do their own thing and quit worrying about what the next man is doing unless it affects you personally

me personally, two things i despise are religion and politics...look what it does to people, just extra stress added to your life that YOU chose...and for what?

[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by Gunluvver2

Not quite right. The First Amendment DOES NOT say any such thing. What it says is:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

In other words the government cannot dictate what Church the people should attend. At the time the constitution was adopted the Church of England was the "favored" Church of the British government. I believe the idea of separation of Church and State was taken from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. Maybe one of you scholarly types can weigh in on this.

Good call.

Roger Williams (a Baptist of all things!) is generally attributed with the separation or "wall" language. There are several telling quotes from great religious leaders and Founding Fathers at the following: Wall of Separation Between Church and State » Quotes.

[nightbird47]

Originally Posted by Bass&Catfish2008

Good call.

Roger Williams (a Baptist of all things!) is generally attributed with the separation or "wall" language. There are several telling quotes from great religious leaders and Founding Fathers at the following: Wall of Separation Between Church and State » Quotes.

It's ironic that the Babtists were this catalist in seperating church and state, but with their set in stone views they tend to be the type who are very vocal about imposing their own personal mores on other people. My dad's family was babtist, and one of the grandchildren became prespatarian and they were shocked. Dad left their religious views behind when he left for the navy.

Of course at the time a Babtist would want a 'wall', since they sat on the other side. If you wanted to get into a position of authority, you went to a proper British school. To get into said school you were expected to be anglican. The 'other' protestant religions actually built their own universities since they couldn't get in the 'proper' ones. So it would sound like a great idea then.

Now when its not if your religion insists that your right and nobody else could be even a little right, and the popular world is drifting far far away from you, it doesn't sound so good.

Mom's family ended up in Iowa before a portion took the great migration to Long Beach CA. They'd go back and visit and once she met this little girl. They hit it off great and were going to play the next day but her aunt wouldn't let the girl in. Mom wanted to know why. The aunt was shocked. After all, the girl's family was methodist. I'm so glad I came from the part who moved away.

[Timemachineman]

Originally Posted by Ace_TX

bolded.

eh?

noone is required or needs to accept anothers views

agree to disagree and leave it at that

the concept of "tolerance" is misunderstood

---

people get too caught up in this religion thing. Religion is a personal choice, noone is required or even needs to be part of a religious group but some choose to

same with athiest, great your an athiest woohoo! but when you hate people who chose to follow a religious group or you want everyone to be a nonbeliver like you, you are just as bad as the people you hate

everybody just needs to stay in their own lane, do their own thing and quit worrying about what the next man is doing unless it affects you personally

me personally, two things i despise are religion and politics...look what it does to people, just extra stress added to your life that YOU chose...and for what?

What was meant by "accept" was not to get mad because others think differently about religion. So I basically said the same thing as you. If people aren't around a lot of others from other societal groups, then stereotypes can easily develop. For instance, a large portion of southern "whites" used to hate "blacks." Now many of those people have been around several black Americans, and their views about them have changed. And many black Americans have self-segregated in recent years. And many young people in that group have developed stereotypes about white Americans in recent years.

[Timemachineman]

Originally Posted by Ace_TX

bolded.

eh?

noone is required or needs to accept anothers views

agree to disagree and leave it at that

the concept of "tolerance" is misunderstood

---

people get too caught up in this religion thing. Religion is a personal choice, noone is required or even needs to be part of a religious group but some choose to

same with athiest, great your an athiest woohoo! but when you hate people who chose to follow a religious group or you want everyone to be a nonbeliver like you, you are just as bad as the people you hate

everybody just needs to stay in their own lane, do their own thing and quit worrying about what the next man is doing unless it affects you personally

me personally, two things i despise are religion and politics...look what it does to people, just extra stress added to your life that YOU chose...and for what?

What was meant by "accept" was not to get mad because others think differently about religion. So I basically said the same thing as you. If people aren't around a lot of others from other societal groups, then stereotypes can easily develop. For instance, a large portion of southern "whites" used to hate "blacks." Now many of those people have been around several black Americans, and their views about them have changed. And many black Americans have self-segregated in recent years. And many young people in that group have developed stereotypes about white Americans in recent years. But black people who are around white people as much as other blacks typically don't have these stereotypes.