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Old 03-30-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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Jeff, Jeff, Jeff me boy!

Don't you know yet that the burden of proof falls on those that make the assertion not those that don't buy into the assertion?

All evidence points to no god type entity existing, and no evidence exists it does exist. Just like no evidence existed that Horus, Thor Zeus, or a plethora of other gods existed.

You have no proof. You only have faith.
And YOU are making the assertion that the beliefs which thousands of people have held for hundreds of years are nothing more than made up fables. Lack of evidence is not evidence. That would be the argument from silence fallacy.

And I still have 100 proofs.
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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We have a president who refuses to use the label............." radical Islamic terrorists"

If abortion protesting Catholics started be-heading abortion doctors, I'll bet President Obama would most certainly use the term " radical Catholics" or "radical Christians"
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:13 AM
 
Location: USA
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And YOU are making the assertion that the beliefs which thousands of people have held for hundreds of years are nothing more than made up fables. Lack of evidence is not evidence. That would be the argument from silence fallacy.

And I still have 100 proofs.
Over a billion devout Muslims have held their beliefs for hundreds of years, and yet you are not a Muslim. Now, why is that? Do you consider Muslim beliefs to be nothing more than made up fables?

It is your side which uses the lack of evidence as evidence: "we can't find Jesus's dead body, therefore he must have risen from the dead."

The burden of proof is on the person proposing the existence of something, it is not upon the skeptic. This has been explained to you many times. I can't disprove the existence of Bigfoot, but that is most certainly not proof that Bigfoot exists.

You do not have 100 proofs. You were given ample opportunity to present these proofs and you have not done so. You are simply "lying for Jesus" and it's no way to attract people to your religion.
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:32 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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My religion does not believe in gay marriage and believes living a "gay lifestyle" is sinful.

Why should we denounce Robertson ?
Was that the same religion which believed slavery was moral?

After all, the bible does not day anything negative about slavery. It DOES tell you how to beat your slave though.

We should denounce Robertson for the same reason we should denounce slavery.
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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Was that the same religion which believed slavery was moral?

After all, the bible does not day anything negative about slavery. It DOES tell you how to beat your slave though.

We should denounce Robertson for the same reason we should denounce slavery.

I never read anything in the New Testament that Jesus told us ........." how to beat your slave "

If this thread is going to be a pro-atheist, pro-homosexual thread, you should have said so in your title.
But, I'll play along anyway.
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:41 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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And YOU are making the assertion that the beliefs which thousands of people have held for hundreds of years are nothing more than made up fables. Lack of evidence is not evidence. That would be the argument from silence fallacy.

And I still have 100 proofs.
Same goes for Mazda, Quetzalcoatl, Ra or Posiden. Millions of people for hundreds or thousands of years have believed in them. In fact, Mazda is still around and has been around longer than Yahweh. Why don't you believe in Mazda?

BTW, Jeff, do you even understand argumentum ex silentio? Or is this a phrase you just heard and you think it sounds like it makes you sound, to be kind, academically inclined?
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Rivendell
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My religion does not believe in gay marriage and believes living a "gay lifestyle" is sinful.

Why should we denounce Robertson ?
Then people who participate in your particular religion shouldn't marry a gay or live a "gay lifestyle", whatever that is.
Just don't expect everyone else to buy in to your homophobia.
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:56 AM
 
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Then people who participate in your particular religion shouldn't marry a gay or live a "gay lifestyle", whatever that is.
Just don't expect everyone else to buy in to your homophobia.

Where did I say that ?

I just said that I, as a Christian who believes a homosexual lifestyle is sinful, will not urge Robertson to shut up.

Apples to oranges

He is not urging violence, be-heading gays, like the Muslim radicals are doing towards Christians,

apples to oranges
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Not when your perception of the world is false. You can call my beliefs fables and myths all you want. At the end of the day, it is still just your opinion. If not, then the burden of proof falls on you to prove it.
Your assertion that the unbeliever's perception of the world is false, is equally your personal opinion.

The burden of proof falls on the party with the positive / extraordinary claim.

The natural world simply IS. It doesn't need proving. The supernatural world is invisible and if you wish to positively assert it then it is up to you to prove it. It is also an inherently extraordinary claim.
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:14 AM
 
Location: DMV
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Your assertion that the unbeliever's perception of the world is false, is equally your personal opinion.

The burden of proof falls on the party with the positive / extraordinary claim.

The natural world simply IS. It doesn't need proving. The supernatural world is invisible and if you wish to positively assert it then it is up to you to prove it. It is also an inherently extraordinary claim.
There is no proof if you can't even explain how the natural world is. It is no more factual than what people like myself and jeffbase claims. If you can't say well this world was created without a God, then there is no definite way you can leave his teachings out of living and call it factual.
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