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You do realize that many of the men that signed that were Founding Fathers....right? They had a role in forming the new Constitution.
I'm sure he does, but that no more makes for a Biblical input into the Constitution than any other reference to the Creator the Founding fathers supposed (since Origin of Species hadn't yet appeared) made us the way we are. No more than Einstein's references to 'God' make for a Biblical input in the theory of relativity.
Except that many of the Founding Fathers were believers in God, and there were numerous Christians among them.
Nevermind the reference to the Creator endowing all men with certain unalienable rights.
Are you aware that the word "Creator" was not used in Jefferson's first draft, nor was it included in the rewrite that was done by John Adams?
Jefferson: We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable, that all men are created equal and independent; that from that equal creation they derive in rights inherent and unalienables, among which are the preservation of life, and liberty and the pursuit of happiness; . . .
Adams: We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and independent; that from that equal creation they derive in rights inherent and unalienables, among which are the preservation of life, and liberty and the pursuit of happiness; . .
To your other point, the term "Founding Fathers" is not clearly defined. Some say signers of the Declaration of Independence, some say signers of the Articles of Confederation, some say signers of the Constitution, some say Revolutionary War generals. Since no consensus has been reached in 240 years, I doubt that one will arise from a discussion in an Internet forum either.
Vizio has a valid point regarding the religious identity of the men who authored the US Constitution. However, that many of the men were Christians is subordinate to the type of nation which they crafted. It was a nation made by Christians, but it was not to be a Christian government. The First Amendment took the US government out of the religion business, the government was not to have an official religion, nor was it to try and influence or prohibit the private practice of religion by citizens.
In sum, it could be a nation full of Christians, or of any other religion, but the government was to be neutral on religious questions. It is the difference between "The president is a Christian" and "the presidency is Christian." The former was allowed, the latter was not.
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Vizio has a valid point regarding the religious identity of the men who authored the US Constitution. However, that many of the men were Christians is subordinate to the type of nation which they crafted. It was a nation made by Christians, but it was not to be a Christian government. The Second Amendment took the US government out of the religion business, the government was not to have an official religion, nor was it to try and influence or prohibit the private practice of religion by citizens.
In sum, it could be a nation full of Christians, or of any other religion, but the government was to be neutral on religious questions. It is the difference between "The president is a Christian" and "the presidency is Christian." The former was allowed, the latter was not.
I'm assuming you meant the 1st Amendment (except for those to whom guns are religious icons).
I'm assuming you meant the 1st Amendment (except for those to whom guns are religious icons).
I did, thank you. It was corrected in edit.
I was only off by a factor of one.
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