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Old 05-09-2015, 05:13 AM
 
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Isn't an Orthodox Jew to the Jewish faith what fundamentalism is to Christianity, not willing to give an inch to any alternate ideas?
I would say so...But I think that UO relies more heavily on Talmud than Torah...
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Old 05-12-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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Isn't an Orthodox Jew to the Jewish faith what fundamentalism is to Christianity, not willing to give an inch to any alternate ideas?
No
Orthodox Jew follows halacha (Jewish law)
other streams of Judaism selectively pick and choose which parts of halacha to follow
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Old 05-12-2015, 07:04 PM
 
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Then why was such drastic change in the OT?
the Old Testament was edited/revised/changed by Christians to have a Christian perspective and "match up with" the New Testament in delivering a Christian message
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Old 05-16-2015, 07:56 AM
 
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the Old Testament was edited/revised/changed by Christians to have a Christian perspective and "match up with" the New Testament in delivering a Christian message
I'd read similar claims in few other threads. I have no idea which part of the Tanach had been revised to create the Christian's OT, or how much of the original OT had been changed to compliment the New Testament. I've made it my quest to find out as much as I possibly can by studying both Tanach and the OT closely. By doing so I hope to gain a better understanding of Judaism and Christianity. It is just a beginning of a very long spiritual journey of mine.
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Old 05-17-2015, 06:03 AM
 
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I'd read similar claims in few other threads. I have no idea which part of the Tanach had been revised to create the Christian's OT, or how much of the original OT had been changed to compliment the New Testament. I've made it my quest to find out as much as I possibly can by studying both Tanach and the OT closely. By doing so I hope to gain a better understanding of Judaism and Christianity. It is just a beginning of a very long spiritual journey of mine.
The Tanakh and the OT are 2 different things.

While it is possible to translate the Tanakh so that it has resemblance to the OT, it is not an accurate translation.

I am not Jewish and can not give an accurate interpretation of the Tanakh, but I have learned a little from my Jewish relatives that to understand the Tanakh properly one must first have a very good understanding of the oral tradition.

To learn the Jewish interpretation of the Tanakh, it is best to ask a Jew and not rely on translations or interpretations by non-Jews.
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Old 05-17-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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The Tanakh and the OT are 2 different things.

While it is possible to translate the Tanakh so that it has resemblance to the OT, it is not an accurate translation.

I am not Jewish and can not give an accurate interpretation of the Tanakh, but I have learned a little from my Jewish relatives that to understand the Tanakh properly one must first have a very good understanding of the oral tradition.

To learn the Jewish interpretation of the Tanakh, it is best to ask a Jew and not rely on translations or interpretations by non-Jews.
Interesting...What do you think of the Great Isaiah Scroll?...
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Old 05-17-2015, 07:22 AM
 
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Interesting...What do you think of the Great Isaiah Scroll?...
I have not read enough about it to form an opinion.

But from what I have seen of the other Dead Sea scrolls, it is best that a non-Jew not make any interpretation of them.

From what I understand is the Dead sea scroll were written by the Essenes. which I believe I is considered a heretical Movement.

While they may have influenced Christianity, I do not think they reflect Judaism of the era.

Just my opinion and I admit I am lacking in knowledge.
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Old 05-17-2015, 08:02 AM
 
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I have not read enough about it to form an opinion.

But from what I have seen of the other Dead Sea scrolls, it is best that a non-Jew not make any interpretation of them.

From what I understand is the Dead sea scroll were written by the Essenes. which I believe I is considered a heretical Movement.

While they may have influenced Christianity, I do not think they reflect Judaism of the era.

Just my opinion and I admit I am lacking in knowledge.
The reason I ask is the proffering it as proof, specifically Isaiah 53, as being a Messianic Prophecy, however the translators where Gentile, and one was from Trinity University, so I wonder if the translation would therefore be biased...It is curious that no Jewish Scholars were employed to translate it since it is a Jewish text...
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Old 05-17-2015, 08:53 AM
 
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The reason I ask is the proffering it as proof, specifically Isaiah 53, as being a Messianic Prophecy, however the translators where Gentile, and one was from Trinity University, so I wonder if the translation would therefore be biased...It is curious that no Jewish Scholars were employed to translate it since it is a Jewish text...
I will simply say"There are people that do not want a Judaic interpretation" and leave it at that.

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Old 05-23-2015, 12:04 AM
 
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The Tanakh and the OT are 2 different things.

While it is possible to translate the Tanakh so that it has resemblance to the OT, it is not an accurate translation.

I am not Jewish and can not give an accurate interpretation of the Tanakh, but I have learned a little from my Jewish relatives that to understand the Tanakh properly one must first have a very good understanding of the oral tradition.

To learn the Jewish interpretation of the Tanakh, it is best to ask a Jew and not rely on translations or interpretations by non-Jews.

They certainly are different, but I've gathered that one is originated from the other, and I'm keen to find out the similarities and differences between them. I'm also very interested to learn the original text in Tanach. The Artscroll English Tanach was recommended to me when I asked for an accurate English translation. It was said to be a popular choice. Is it not the case in your opinion? I take it as the closest thing for a non-Hebrew speaking gentile such as myself.

I'm afraid the understanding of the oral tradition is beyond my capability since I don't speak Hebrew at all. I must content myself with reading and comparing the texts, at least for the current moment. It is always the best to have some knowledgeable Jewish friends to ask.
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