Weird religion: drink camel urine, get cured (Mormon, quote, faith)
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I suppose it would be rediculous if it was a required practice of our worship and something we are commanded to do.
The Ahadith are not commandments, they are eyewitness accounts of things Muhammad(saws) said or did.
Drinking camels milk and urine has been used as a cure for many diseases among the desert dwellers of Arabia and North Africa.
Keep in mind water and medicinal plants are not very common in the region. People learned to use what is available.
As to why a witness found this as something important to preserve. My personal opinion is:
The probable significance that struck the witness as important is this is an indication that Islam did not forbid the use of traditional cures.-----To expand further to how it relates today, I see it as verification Islam does not forbid the use of medicine or medical treatment.
It does demonstrate that it is not an inspired writing, though. There are also some hum-dingers that muhammed himself said that are simply not accurate. Such as the formation of a man's sperm: ""Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7)."
It does demonstrate that it is not an inspired writing, though. There are also some hum-dingers that muhammed himself said that are simply not accurate. Such as the formation of a man's sperm: ""Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7)."
The rest are the words of witnesses as they wrote in accordance with their memory.
There are differences in Hadith by different witnesses. We do not always know exactly what was witnessed. The highest level of reliability are when 4 or more witnesses relate the same thing; the more differences there are between witnesses the less reliable it is.
One of the best examples is the hadith about killing dogs. There ere 6 witnesses if I remember. Muhammad(saws) was asked if there were any animals we are permitted to kill on site.
5 of the witnesses recorded "We are permitted to kill rabid dogs on sight" the 6th one recorded it as "we are to kill dogs on sight"
common sense tells us the 5 are probably correct, but because one did report it differently, we are not absolutely certain as to what was said.
We can not simply quote a hadith and say Muhammad(swt) said this. A study of hadith is a very lengthy and difficult study. We do not always know what was actually said or the reason for it.
No we do not believe the Ahadith are inspired, they are the testimony of witnesses and like all testimony they are limited by the memory of the wirness.
It does demonstrate that it is not an inspired writing, though. There are also some hum-dingers that muhammed himself said that are simply not accurate. Such as the formation of a man's sperm: ""Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7)."
This is actually a misunderstanding of Arabic, the problem is from reading the translation and also due to assumptions made by critics of the Qur'an that are simply untrue. And note that we don't view the Qur'an as the word of the Prophet (saw) we view it as the direct word of God (swt).
This is actually a misunderstanding of Arabic, the problem is from reading the translation and also due to assumptions made by critics of the Qur'an that are simply untrue. And note that we don't view the Qur'an as the word of the Prophet (saw) we view it as the direct word of God (swt).
It does demonstrate that it is not an inspired writing, though. There are also some hum-dingers that muhammed himself said that are simply not accurate. Such as the formation of a man's sperm: ""Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7)."
Oh, lookie! Viz is, once again, pulling his info, and arguments, about another faith straight from the website of the aptly-named Slick.
This is actually a misunderstanding of Arabic, the problem is from reading the translation and also due to assumptions made by critics of the Qur'an that are simply untrue. And note that we don't view the Qur'an as the word of the Prophet (saw) we view it as the direct word of God (swt).
I encourage you to make corrections as needed. Viz pulled that off a website - carm - written by a fundamentalist who is not exactly un-biased. The writer, who twists and distorts what other faiths believe, encourages his breathless followers to lift what he writes and "share" it on websites such as CD.
BTW: The aptly named Slick, uses that quote to "prove" that the Quran is wrong.
Last edited by DewDropInn; 05-20-2015 at 09:51 AM..
OK? And can you refute the argument or just use logical fallacies to try to discredit it?
Unlike you, Viz, I respect other faiths. There are Muslim members of this board who are very capable of correcting your errors. They know more about their faith than you and your guru the aptly-named Slick. If you want to debate them.... go for it. That will give them the opportunity to explain what their faith actually believes (not the aptly-named Slick's version of it) and I'll get to learn more about it Islam. Win-win.
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