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Old 06-17-2015, 05:55 PM
 
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The whole point of morality is to minimize human suffering in a society. If you think that is nonsense, well...
Is it? Who decided that?

There you go with your assumptions and circular logic.
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Old 06-17-2015, 06:04 PM
 
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Is it? Who decided that?

There you go with your assumptions and circular logic.
Nobody decided it. It is self-evident. What is the point of morality other than to make sure that people "play nice" with each other?

How did I use circular logic?
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Old 06-17-2015, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Nobody decided it. It is self-evident. What is the point of morality other than to make sure that people "play nice" with each other?

How did I use circular logic?
Viz has no standard for morality other than that it be decreed correct and approved by his invisible friend. He's not interested in it actually having any utility or efficacy and he's certainly not interested in evaluating it, since it's delivered to him in a vacuum, fully constituted and accepted without question.
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Old 06-17-2015, 06:33 PM
 
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It is the only possible standard by which to judge actions, which could possibly be relevant to society.
You haven't made the point that there's some other standard, much less proved it. But do try.
Don't encourage him, mordant . . . you will just get more of his absurd standard . . . morality is WHATEVER God says is moral . . . even if it contradicts other things God has said or taught us. A less absolute standard cannot be conceived. Under Vizio's standard . . . morality is entirely at the caprice of his God . . . which makes it as useless as no morality at all.
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Old 06-17-2015, 06:39 PM
 
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Viz has no standard for morality other than that it be decreed correct and approved by his invisible friend. He's not interested in it actually having any utility or efficacy and he's certainly not interested in evaluating it, since it's delivered to him in a vacuum, fully constituted and accepted without question.
Yes, I've noticed.

It's exactly what I was taught in Lutheran fundamentalism: God can do whatever he wants and it is moral by definition, simply because he is powerful. It's "might makes right", which looks more like the Law of the Jungle than actual morality.

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Old 06-17-2015, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Don't encourage him, mordant . . . you will just get more of his absurd standard . . . morality is WHATEVER God says is moral . . . even if it contradicts other things God has said or taught us. A less absolute standard cannot be conceived. Under Vizio's standard . . . morality is entirely at the caprice of his God . . . which makes it as useless as no morality at all.
Blind unquestioning obedience to human dictator ... morally weak and wrong.

Blind unquestioning obedience to deity ... completely different story. Because god.

What's really going on though is not that morality is whatever god says ... it is really whatever Vizio thinks that god says, which can be simplified to "whatever Vizio says". Because it is 100% Viz's assertions about what god supposedly says. Not that he'll own up to it.
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Old 06-17-2015, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Viz has proven in a multitude of posts he hasn't a clue about what constitutes morality.

Talk about the blind leading the blind....
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The whole point of morality is to minimize human suffering in a society.
Truth expressed in a short and simple way.........This is a quote worth remembering.
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:50 AM
 
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If you're saying we should destroy all Bibles or writing about the deity, it's unlikely that will happen.
If you're saying we should destroy God, well...I honestly don't know how to say this, but that's basically retarded. Assuming God exists as he is depicted in the Bible or any religion, this diety you seek to destroy would wipe you out so fast you wouldn't realize you didn't exist anymore.
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Old 06-18-2015, 11:52 AM
 
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Nobody decided it. It is self-evident. What is the point of morality other than to make sure that people "play nice" with each other?

How did I use circular logic?
It's not self-evident, though. You are making that assumption. You are saying that it's true because it's self-evident that it's true. Why? Because you just know!

You have yet to make the point of WHY it is the standard. Don't give me assumptions, give me facts.
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