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Old 06-27-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Ok, here is example number two:

Matthew 25: 31-46

I won't post the whole thing here because of its length. But it's Jesus dividing all of humanity into "sheep" and "goats", with the goats going into eternal fire and punishment. Not sure what Jesus had against goats, but in the story, the goats are the people who did not engage in various charitable acts. The sheep did engage in these charitable acts, and are rewarded in heaven.

While I'd say that charity is a good thing, punishing the non-charitable with eternal fire seems a bit harsh. Thoughts?
sheep and goats are figurative - as in metaphors

aionios kolasan, contrary to mistranslations over the centuries, does not mean "eternal damnation", but rather "age long correction" and is akin to the pharisaic belief, originating during the Hasmonian era, of a time of purification that occurs after death. We Catholics call this "purgatory".
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Old 06-27-2015, 04:50 PM
 
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sheep and goats are figurative - as in metaphors

aionios kolasan, contrary to mistranslations over the centuries, does not mean "eternal damnation", but rather "age long correction" and is akin to the pharisaic belief, originating during the Hasmonian era, of a time of purification that occurs after death. We Catholics call this "purgatory".
Interesting. Still doesn't sound like too much fun.
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Old 06-27-2015, 04:52 PM
 
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sheep and goats are figurative - as in metaphors

aionios kolasan, contrary to mistranslations over the centuries, does not mean "eternal damnation", but rather "age long correction" and is akin to the pharisaic belief, originating during the Hasmonian era, of a time of purification that occurs after death. We Catholics call this "purgatory".
This is probably one of the reasons we jews get along with the Roman Catholics...We call it 11 months of purification/repentance and then you are admitted to Olam HaBa or the World to Come...
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Old 06-27-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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He wouldn't see anything there.
Probably not...
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Old 06-27-2015, 04:55 PM
 
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So long as I remain faithful and obedient to the Holy Spirit Jesus provided .yes I have won the salvation lottery.
What do you think that Holy Spirit is?...
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Old 06-27-2015, 04:56 PM
 
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Perhaps even spotted hyenas too... How can you dispute "the whole world" statement?
He's got a different bible, don't ya know?...
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Old 06-27-2015, 05:00 PM
 
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Been hearing this for years. God is God He can do what He wants. Im not going to hold Him accountable or call the affirmative action committee or the ACLU on Him just because someone screams "its not fair".

http://atheismexposed.tripod.com/atheismsatanism.htm
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Old 06-27-2015, 05:06 PM
 
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Been hearing this for years. God is God He can do what He wants. Im not going to hold Him accountable or call the affirmative action committee or the ACLU on Him just because someone screams "its not fair".

IS ATHEISM SATANISM? DOES SATAN CONTROL ATHEISTS?
Dude...You really need to do your Judaic studies and then you won't be worshiping Satan so much...
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Old 06-27-2015, 05:24 PM
 
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I have heard that hypothesis, yes. But it's pure speculation, right? We have no objective way to determine what Jesus really said. It isn't very intellectually rigorous to simply assume that the "nice" stuff is from Jesus and the "nasty" stuff is from nefarious church officials.

Imagine doing that with other historic writings. For example, should we assume that anything nasty attributed to George Washington is a forgery, simply because Washington is a national icon and we don't want to believe he could say such things?
Seriously, OP? Look at that passage. It fits the pattern of coercing people to accept Jesus as Divine or semi-Divine. It seems obvious, to me. It's not a matter of discounting the passages we don't like. It's about looking for passages that could be evidence of the Church's agenda. Jesus preached about God, and the Kingdom of Heaven, and the need for people to accept God; he didn't preach about himself, or try to sell people on the idea that he was Divine and they should bow down to him, or pray to him.
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Old 06-27-2015, 05:36 PM
 
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Been hearing this for years. God is God He can do what He wants. Im not going to hold Him accountable or call the affirmative action committee or the ACLU on Him just because someone screams "its not fair".

IS ATHEISM SATANISM? DOES SATAN CONTROL ATHEISTS?
Armstrong...
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