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I realize that. Reincarnation for the purpose of paying a "kharmic debt" in order to learn a lesson has never made sense to me. Still doesn't.
yup. Conservation of "goodness" means that "goodness" can never be created or destroyed. Only changed and then changed back. Of course we can call it "conservation of Ying/yang" or "Im'a a yoyo."
I don't do mystic's fundamental conscious field. But it may very well be an emergent property. Thus when a collection of atoms is in the exact same state as a previous set, it is the previous set. But the numbers involved don't point to an exact replicate, but rather a similar duplication. Thus we see it as "reminding me of somebody I knew". And heck, with the number of particles involved and the accepted notion that a present state is indicative of a past state the whole idea of reincarnation has merit.
Even simpler, The mixture of personality traits, while large, is very repeatable. So I bet there are people that act very similar to us in multiple places right now, let alone after we die.
But that's just a logical look. The emotional stance of "paying debt" just has no value to entertain. It does us no good thinking we need to pay a comsic bill.
The emotional stance of "paying debt" just has no value to entertain. It does us no good thinking we need to pay a comsic bill.
then you don't believe we are to take responsibility for the consequences of our actions?
even my toddlers at age 3 had grasped that simple healthy construct!
healthy behavior is learned and implemented when a person takes responsibility for accepting the natural consequences of our actions.
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then you don't believe we are to take responsibility for the consequences of our actions?
even my toddlers at age 3 had grasped that simple healthy construct!
healthy behavior is learned and implemented when a person takes responsibility for accepting the natural consequences of our actions.
"accountability" is not a reason to believe in god or not to believe in god. "Facts" are. I don't understand how come I can't believe in no Christian god (or no cosmic debt) and accountability at the same time. Why is that?
"accountability" is not a reason to believe in god or not to believe in god. "Facts" are. I don't understand how come I can't believe in no Christian god (or no cosmic debt) and accountability at the same time. Why is that?
help me understand then
if someone is a tyrant say for 70 years, and is not punished or brought to justice during his lifetime, how is he held accountable?
(and none of this is a Christian model anyway, Christianity does not teach reincarnation)
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Sorry Tzap, but this is a harmful belief, in my opinion. Victims of any type of abuse very often believe it is their fault and blame themselves, and it creates feelings of deep-seated worthlessness. This belief just plays right into that. That can't be healthy.
My stepdaughter is doing the cruelty thing that Miss H believes she did in a previous life. The last thing my wife would ever agree to do is to treat her daughter the same way ... in this life or in any other. Any mentally healthy and functional parent worth their salt would not.
Adult children mistreating parents, whether it is shutting them out or some form of elder care torment or somewhere in between, is a complex problem with multiple causes. Often it is rooted in parent and child having very different personality types and simply being completely "wrong" for each other. Whatever the solution, if any, may be, I can tell you that it is NOT more cruelty and callousness.
I will not second guess or armchair-analyze Miss H; she has clearly found a stable state for herself and that is what matters for her happiness. But her assertions about the afterlife are the perfect illustration of why the afterlife is the Big Enchilada of things where you should be careful what you ask for.
help me understand then
if someone is a tyrant say for 70 years, and is not punished or brought to justice during his lifetime, how is he held accountable?
(and none of this is a Christian model anyway, Christianity does not teach reincarnation)
He is not. He ceases to exist. This is neither just nor unjust. The only (in)justice that exists is for the living.
That life is often "unfair" for the living does not justify thinking that existence is somehow extended until justice is obtained. The universe is completely indifferent to human concerns.
He is not. He ceases to exist. This is neither just nor unjust. The only (in)justice that exists is for the living.
That life is often "unfair" for the living does not justify thinking that existence is somehow extended until justice is obtained. The universe is completely indifferent to human concerns.
Not only that, but the false hope of justice obtained in the afterlife hampers efforts to obtain more justice in the here and now.
"Don't worry about your life now, there's a pie in the sky when you die."
Not only that, but the false hope of justice obtained in the afterlife hampers efforts to obtain more justice in the here and now.
"Don't worry about your life now, there's a pie in the sky when you die."
that is not what reincarnation is saying it all
it is in fact saying the opposite
it is not about pie in the sky when you die, and none of my posts have said that
it is saying if you treat people like crap, until you change your ways you will keep coming back to earth and be treated like crap yourself, until you get the very basic lesson to treat people with kindness, and show that you can put it into action
we incarnate to learn very basic lessons: kindness, honesty, compassion, peace, helping others
we keep incarnating until we learn these
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