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Never in the history of our country has anyone been guaranteed the right to marry for love. Why now?
it is not a guarantee to marry for love, where is that written into the marriage law. It is the right to marry the gender you are sexually attractive to. Several native tribes had same sex marriage which should have been incorporated into the laws of the land except discrimination was even worse back in the 19th Century. At that time slavery was legal too and that changed. Arranged marriages can be done with same sex couples just like hetrosexual couples if that is what you are worried about. Repeating a incorrect claim does not make it true.
Taxes are an effect, not a cause. If you don't get a job, you don't have to file taxes.
As for the cake's ingredients, what if I wanted something weird, gross, and/or hard to find that wasn't a health hazard? What if someone specifically asked for a nasty tasting cake (I don't know, say Vegemite flavored? ) that would reflect poorly on bakery's reputation? According to this decision, the bakery has to comply and make a product they don't want to make. It's like making Chevrolet produce motorcycles or forcing Taco Bell to sell hot dogs.
Dictating how a bakery should or should not make cakes is not the American way. If you don't like what they are selling, you are free to go elsewhere.
Again, the bakery was not stopping a gay couple from getting married. They simply didn't offer a cake with two grooms on top and didn't want to make concessions.
you are totally wrong. They were asked to make a wedding cake and they already make wedding cakes. There is no diference in the cake. If GM was asked to make a model of car that they already make but the order was from a gay person would be a better example. Can Taco Bell have a policy that they do not serve blacks? Coudl they make the arguement that refusing to serve blacks is the same as refusing to sell hot dogs?
The civil rights act seems to undermine your entire argument. And the woman went to the baker because they liked the cake the baker sold to the one woman's mother. Do you accept discrimination based on race or gender as well? Is discrimination against others the American way. Was the entire civil rights act and movement anti American? Separate water fountains the American way?
Taxes are an effect, not a cause. If you don't get a job, you don't have to file taxes.
As for the cake's ingredients, what if I wanted something weird, gross, and/or hard to find that wasn't a health hazard? What if someone specifically asked for a nasty tasting cake (I don't know, say Vegemite flavored? ) that would reflect poorly on bakery's reputation? According to this decision, the bakery has to comply and make a product they don't want to make. It's like making Chevrolet produce motorcycles or forcing Taco Bell to sell hot dogs.
Dictating how a bakery should or should not make cakes is not the American way. If you don't like what they are selling, you are free to go elsewhere.
Again, the bakery was not stopping a gay couple from getting married. They simply didn't offer a cake with two brides on top and didn't want to make concessions. Bad business choice, yes... but should it have merited legal intervention? Hell no. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, after all...
Except for the fact that the couple was refused ANY cake before they even got to the point of discussing what they wanted the cake to look like.
you are totally wrong. They were asked to make a wedding cake and they already make wedding cakes. There is no diference in the cake. If GM was asked to make a model of car that they already make but the order was from a gay person would be a better example. Can Taco Bell have a policy that they do not serve blacks? Coudl they make the arguement that refusing to serve blacks is the same as refusing to sell hot dogs?
The civil rights act seems to undermine your entire argument. And the woman went to the baker because they liked the cake the baker sold to the one woman's mother. Do you accept discrimination based on race or gender as well? Is discrimination against others the American way. Was the entire civil rights act and movement anti American? Separate water fountains the American way?
Guess I misunderstood the circumstances... I thought the bakery refused to make a gay themed cake but I did some more reading and that wasn't the case.
If it was literally "I know you are gay and we don't serve your kind here, get out!" that's a different circumstance altogether and the lawsuit award makes more sense...
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You mean "separate but equal"? It wasn't good enough that gay people could marry--they had to have their own version of marriage involving 2 people of the same gender. That variation did not exist before.
Neither you nor I could envision either of us being married to someone of the same sex.
By the same token, those that are born, and yes they are born not making a choice, homosexual, cannot envision being married to someone of the opposite sex.
As such, what's the big deal if they get married? Does it affect you? Does it affect me? Does it affect society?
It doesn't affect anyone except the two people involved. They are consenting adults, so who cares that Bobby likes Earl or Angie likes Susan. It's just not a big deal.
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Guess I misunderstood the circumstances... I thought the bakery refused to make a gay themed cake but I did some more reading and that wasn't the case.
If it was literally "I know you are gay and we don't serve your kind here, get out!" that's a different circumstance altogether and the lawsuit award makes more sense...
Thank you.
I'm thanking you for actually looking at the facts, and changing your perspective based on those facts. That is rare in this discussion.
Neither you nor I could envision either of us being married to someone of the same sex.
By the same token, those that are born, and yes they are born not making a choice, homosexual, cannot envision being married to someone of the opposite sex.
As such, what's the big deal if they get married? Does it affect you? Does it affect me? Does it affect society?
It doesn't affect anyone except the two people involved. They are consenting adults, so who cares that Bobby likes Earl or Angie likes Susan. It's just not a big deal.
It may be simply the perceiced loss ownership of the word marriage. But calling two of the same gender wedded together something different than a marriage would certainly be equal but different.
It may be simply the perceiced loss ownership of the word marriage. But calling two of the same gender wedded together something different than a marriage would certainly be equal but different.
Marriage /ˈmerij/ noun
Marriage, also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws
Marriage, also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws
Gee that seems to cover same sex or opposite sex couples
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) that would reflect poorly on bakery's reputation? According to this decision, the bakery has to comply and make a product they don't want to make. It's like making Chevrolet produce motorcycles or forcing Taco Bell to sell hot dogs. 
