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Old 07-14-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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If you are going with the born argument then why is it ok to treat pedophiles with hate and usually desire to see them executed? They are simply born with a different kind of orientation. They are punished even if it is found that they only had thoughts about their desires. No action required. Look what happened to the Subway guy. He is ruined because of his one thought.

See how your false world creates a double standard. In my world, sin is sin.

Didn't Jarod have child pornography on his computer. If that is the case it is hard to argue that no child was harmed as some kid had to be involved in the sexual act for it to be filmed. The arguement against child porn that keeps getting repeated to you and you seem to fail to appreaciate is that there is a victim. the child. The child has not legal ability to consent to the sexual act and therefore the adult commits a crime.

In Canada a few years ago a man was convicted of child pornography for writting a fictional story of child porn. In this case I do not think there was a victim and therefore there was no child abuse involved. I do not think that the majority of cases that a pedeophile is arrested for thougths but for actions either sexual or as a consumer of a sexual action that does harm children.

Sin might be sin in your world but in the legal world crimes are when there is a victim even if that victim is non human (bestiablity in most places) or property (vandalism). You are thinking that only from the Bible not from the law. It is not a double standard, one has a victim one does not. And it is not a false world, it is a secular world not your narrow religious world. I use the word narrow not trying in any way to insult you but narrow as meaning not only one religion of the many but one interpretation out of many of that one religion. Speeding and imparied driving are not sins in your world but they are crimes in what you call the false world.

I have no hate for pedophiles nor do I think that they are any one else should be executed. But when they hurt and abuse a child they have committed a crime and should be dealt with. We need better ways of treating them but that is no different than a rapist or a sociopath. Sexual orientation is not abuse of a victim no matter how strong you feel that it is a sin. Consenting adults can do all kinds of things together sexually that you or I might not like or agree with but as long as they are consenting and there is no harm it is not up to us to claim they are wrong. As soon as one of hte partiers is not consenting to the action or is not legally allowed to consent that it is not a consentual activity.

As far as your world goes, is homosexuallity a bigger sin than breaking one of the commandments? If it is not then false testimony would be worse than homosexality and yet you have not once denouced those who accused the women of targetting this baker or for them seeking publicity.
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Do some googling. It's not that difficult. The statistical proof shows that the homosexual lifestyle does result in higher rates of disease. Yes--people are injured by it. At the very least, you ought to be willing to legalize all drug use for adult use if you want to be consistent.

In any event, the question of victims does not change the fact that those folks feel every bit the same compulsion as you do. Why wouldn't you want them to just be happy? Look how mean-spirited you are!
The usual lame reply.

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No...now I guess it's the Christians' turn to take crap from LGBTQRST fascists?
How's it feel to be on the receiving end, Pastor?
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:32 AM
 
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Do some googling. It's not that difficult. The statistical proof shows that the homosexual lifestyle does result in higher rates of disease. Yes--people are injured by it. At the very least, you ought to be willing to legalize all drug use for adult use if you want to be consistent.

In any event, the question of victims does not change the fact that those folks feel every bit the same compulsion as you do. Why wouldn't you want them to just be happy? Look how mean-spirited you are!





No...now I guess it's the Christians' turn to take crap from LGBTQRST fascists?

Portugal did legalize drugs. I wished Canada and the US did too. It lead to a drop in drug use, crime and disease and hence lowered the cost to society and made the drug users safer and healthier. We probably will not do so as it is immoral so it is better to have higher drug use, more crime and more health issues along with the higher health and judiscal costs. Morals are more important than people's lives, or so it seems.

I have know people who got addicted to herion and crack cocaine. They would have had easier times kicking their habits if the drugs were legal in fact the one would unlikely have not tried if if some one had not pushed it on them when they were at a very low point in their life.

In this case it involved two lesbians which I believe have a lower disease rates than heterosexual women and if that is the case then there is no victim. In addition monogomous men have a lower disase rates than non monogomous hence you should support same sex marrage as it does promote monogonmy. If having health related issues means victims maybe lesbian marriage is the only form that should take place keeping gay men and heterosexuals away from marriage for their own safety.
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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Answered many times.

Consenting adults is the key.
Consent is a copout. These people are outcast and despised by society even if they never commit a crime in their life. Double standard.
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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Portugal did legalize drugs. I wished Canada and the US did too. It lead to a drop in drug use, crime and disease and hence lowered the cost to society and made the drug users safer and healthier. We probably will not do so as it is immoral so it is better to have higher drug use, more crime and more health issues along with the higher health and judiscal costs. Morals are more important than people's lives, or so it seems.
I'd love to see some hard statistics on it. From my understanding, places like The Netherlands, have big problems with it.
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I have know people who got addicted to herion and crack cocaine. They would have had easier times kicking their habits if the drugs were legal in fact the one would unlikely have not tried if if some one had not pushed it on them when they were at a very low point in their life.

In this case it involved two lesbians which I believe have a lower disease rates than heterosexual women and if that is the case then there is no victim.
Again...is the presences of a "victim" the only reason we make some behavior legal or illegal?
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In addition monogomous men have a lower disase rates than non monogomous hence you should support same sex marrage as it does promote monogonmy. If having health related issues means victims maybe lesbian marriage is the only form that should take place keeping gay men and heterosexuals away from marriage for their own safety.
And do you honestly think gay men remain monogamous?
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:40 AM
 
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The usual lame reply.
One that hasn't been answered, though. Why do you not argue for sexual freedom for every other deviancy? Or every other non-sexual compulsion such as alcoholism or gambling?
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How's it feel to be on the receiving end, Pastor?
I'm sorry if you feel that acting in a bigoted way toward Christians will erase feelings of mistreatment.
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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I'd love to see some hard statistics on it. From my understanding, places like The Netherlands, have big problems with it.
I believe the Netherland's issue was primarily with respect to Amsterdam becoming a mecca for potheads the world over and they did not want to deal with the expense of managing / policing the outsiders. It was not so much that there was a local social problem as that there was a knock on effect because the drug isn't liberalized elsewhere. And IIRC they did not make pot illegal again, they simply require that you be a citizen or at least a resident to be able to indulge. It is closed to outsiders now. It would be like Colorado making it illegal to sell pot to non-Coloradans.
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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Try to wrap your brain around the concept of victims. I know it's difficult -- but try.

Pedophiles, alcoholics and gamblers cause other people pain. There are real - not imaginary - victims.

Who are the victims in adult gay relationships?

I'll tell you - there are none. Except the spoiled-brat feelings of immature, bigoted fundamentalists who think they, and only they, have the right to govern society.
Except for those who contract HIV and must live with it the rest of their lives. And according to the CDC, that's a significant number of the homosexual population. What about the children of gay parents who are targeted and bullied mercilessly by their peers? I would consider them to be victims as well.


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By one estimate, 41 percent of 10-year-old children with gay parents encountered bullying or isolation related to their domestic dynamics [source: Park]. But follow-ups with the same kids at age 17 revealed no long-term negative psychological impact, and they had, on average, just as many friends as their peers.


Gay-parented Kids - HowStuffWorks

Now I suppose you will focus on the latter half of their statement, but that's like saying bullying is fine, you grow out of it. My point still stands.
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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One that hasn't been answered, though. Why do you not argue for sexual freedom for every other deviancy? Or every other non-sexual compulsion such as alcoholism or gambling?
It has been answered, umpteen times. Don't blame your multiple failures of comprehension on other people. Own your failings like a big boy.

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I'm sorry if you feel that acting in a bigoted way toward Christians will erase feelings of mistreatment.
I'm only sorry their fine wasn't higher.

And your whining is sweet, sweet music. Keep singing it.
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Old 07-14-2015, 10:48 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Consent is a copout. These people are outcast and despised by society even if they never commit a crime in their life. Double standard.
Horsepucky.

Adult consent IS the difference. By definition, pedophiles target those incapable of giving adult consent. Therefore there is a victim involved.

There is no victim involved between two gay men are two lesbian women interacting sexually if they are above the age of consent.
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