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Old 02-07-2018, 05:16 AM
 
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If it traumatizes less people than parents, siblings, etc....it still traumatizes, doesn't it? I could argue that religious people are doing the abusing, if that's what you prefer.
so does alcohol. In fact, I would say addicts and adult child of abuse cause far more harm than religions. I think they use religion, but religion is not the root cause.

for me, Its not about what I prefer. Its about what is actually going on and addressing the problem. What I prefer has no bearing on how the universe works.
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Old 02-07-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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so does alcohol. In fact, I would say addicts and adult child of abuse cause far more harm than religions. I think they use religion, but religion is not the root cause.
So, you're arguing that x is worse than y. That's a whole other discussion, isn't it? I'm saying y causes trauma, period. I don't care which is worse. It's trauma.

And religion is the root cause. It's a belief system upon which people base their entire existence. When it falls apart, or when they're ex-communicated, the trauma begins. You want to argue that it doesn't have arms and legs and breathe oxygen so it can't hurt people. Come on. Countless have died because of religion through war, suicide or murderous religious/cultural practices. The list is quite long.
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Old 02-07-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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So why do you continue to insult and attempt to traumatize others?
As a former Christian and now atheist, I can attest to the traumatization associated with the religion. All my life I questioned my salvation. I feared hell. “Was I a rich man?” By worldly standards I and likely you are. How sure are you that you are saved? “ Many will call my name but I never knew them”. Again, just how sure are you? Even after realizing how pathetic Christianity is I still questioned my chances of its immoral hell. As time goes on I become more comfortable with my reasoned, logical decision to leave the religion. Maybe someday you will have the courage to question your religion and follow honest reasoning.
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Old 02-07-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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So why do you continue to insult and attempt to traumatize others?
You'll live.
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Old 02-07-2018, 11:37 AM
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You'll live.
How loving of you.
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Old 02-07-2018, 11:39 AM
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As a former Christian and now atheist, I can attest to the traumatization associated with the religion. All my life I questioned my salvation. I feared hell. “Was I a rich man?” By worldly standards I and likely you are. How sure are you that you are saved? “ Many will call my name but I never knew them”. Again, just how sure are you? Even after realizing how pathetic Christianity is I still questioned my chances of its immoral hell. As time goes on I become more comfortable with my reasoned, logical decision to leave the religion. Maybe someday you will have the courage to question your religion and follow honest reasoning.
You SHOULD fear hell. God will judge sinners. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending it doesn't exist will not fix anything any more than turning the radio up on the car stereo fixes the noise in the engine.

And no--it's not immoral or wrong to tell people that they need to get right with God any more than it is to tell a man he needs to get his prostrate checked. You're not doing anyone any favors.
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Old 02-07-2018, 11:58 AM
 
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How loving of you.
Ah, yes, the compulsory love bullsh|t. I don't love you. And your shaming is lost on me. You realize you actually have to walk the walk, yes?
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Old 02-07-2018, 12:13 PM
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Ah, yes, the compulsory love bullsh|t. I don't love you. And your shaming is lost on me. You realize you actually have to walk the walk, yes?
I'm just saying, if you're going to act like you're taking the moral high ground, it would be interesting for you to walk the walk, as you say.

As for me? I don't hate you. I don't hate anyone here. I've simply stated a fact -- that this current generation is not emotionally stable, and that's because of the way we've been parenting them. I can't really blame them -- it's all they've been taught.
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Old 02-07-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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When you need a wake up call it is not loving to sing a lullaby.
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Old 02-07-2018, 12:34 PM
 
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You SHOULD fear hell. God will judge sinners. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending it doesn't exist will not fix anything any more than turning the radio up on the car stereo fixes the noise in the engine.

And no--it's not immoral or wrong to tell people that they need to get right with God any more than it is to tell a man he needs to get his prostate checked. You're not doing anyone any favors.
To quote YOU, BaptistFundie:

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How loving of you.
Why do you not see the inherent contradiction between a loving God and a pointless and grotesque eternal torment? It is the epitome of a Godfather offer: Love me or else!
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