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Nice way to twist words. I don't recall saying it is OK or even that it should be settled for...just that it is realistic not to expect perfection.
Call BS on the 'twist words' protest.
It isn't about you saying or not saying. It is about the complaint on religion as being imperfect while turning a blind eye about politics.
But please do explain.
Why is it realistic not to expect perfection for one but not the other?
That is what my comment...
"Neither. It demonstrates that government - when it thinks there is something to be gained for it by doing so, will give the appearance that it is not strictly neutral in relation to religion."
It's my understanding that a blind eye about politics is the correct thing to do on this forum where it is verboten.
However, when it comes to religion, if an adherent to any one of them claims a omnipotent god, then perfection should be expected.
It isn't about you saying or not saying. It is about the complaint on religion as being imperfect while turning a blind eye about politics.
But please do explain.
Why is it realistic not to expect perfection for one but not the other?
It clearly is not realistic to expect perfection from one and not the other, and as a non-believer I don't expect religion to be perfect. I think it is a social and cultural phenomenon, which is often intertwined with government.
But, of the two, religion and politics, one of them often does make the claim to be and to provide perfect, timeless, immutable, inarguable,and unalterable truth. So it is worth pointing out that this does not appear to be the case, and any decision or argument that rests on this idea that religious truth can or ultimately will provide perfection is simply not reflected in reality. Politics, on the other hand, we all agree is a messy, human, imperfect balancing act between individuals and the community, between the interests of classes and ethnicities, even religions.
It isn't about turning a blind eye to non-religious problems, it is about pointing out that the claims of religion do not stack up.
people are insane. religious, non religious, black and white. as much as some people want to believe their statement of belief is the best and/or their kind are not subject to normal human frailties ... they are dead, flat out, wrong.
Religions, ALL RELIGIONS, are either completely true and valid, or they represent "a loss of contact with reality". There really is no middle ground. And clearly, since religions often make contradictory claims, not every religion can be valid. Which leaves us to recognize that billions of people are are suffering from various stages of psychosis. Depending on the depth of their belief.
Religions often make claims about their founder that defy reality. The Buddha was widely reputed to have performed numerous miracles. The Buddha could cause earthquakes by stamping his feet. He would occasionally emit rays of colored light, streams of water from the lower half of his body, and flames from the upper half. Jesus is reputed to have raised the dead, walked on water, and after returning from the dead himself, flew off into the sky and disappeared into the clouds. On one occasion Muhammad rode a flying beast named Al-Buraq (Arabic for "lightening") up to heaven where he visited God, before returning to earth. On another occasion Muhammad caused the moon to split into two pieces, and then restored it.
These things either occurred as claimed, or those that believe that they indisputably occurred are suffering from "a "loss of contact with reality."
Hi Tired,
My take...
We have the reality of this 3rd Dimension...with it's Laws of Gravity and Inertia and so on...in other words, what we perceive with our puny 5 senses.
That is the reality that the MDs are talking about on Wiki. And that is fine.
However, there are other realms, planes, dimensions, universes that we can not see with
our telescopes.
Doesn't mean that they do not exist or that 'sensitives' here can not perceive them...even
astral project to them or talk to others in these other levels.
Ha, think of the cat in 'Ghost' that was able to perceive a ghost that Demi Moore could not.
Was the cat psychotic? No...it was able to see beyond what our teeny E-M spectrum
allows with our limited senses.
Can we see our bones? No...but with the right sensor we sure can.
To say that this is the only reality, or that the laws here pertain to other levels is, um, well...
uninformed.
If it had not been for the electron microscope we would think things are solid...ha,
when they are far from it.
Masters know this and so they can do what appears to us a 'miracles'....when for them...walking on water is child's play.
Gosh, to be that advanced is where I'm headed...it's not that long of a trip anymore!
there is a little thing called "power". There is a certain requirement to do "work" in our realm. if other realms intrude into our realm we would see it, on earth that is. A big fat man Jumping on the third floor of a wooden building doesn't require the power of the earth shaking. The story telling may say "it felt like the whole of earth shook." But that doesn't mean it did.
That's why buddha insisted that we kill him if we see him on the road today. like jesus, he understood power as defined in our realm. They simply said, help the mudering phudger if they need it.
helping those that need help can shake the world to its core.
How are you letting this thread continue? This is so disrespectful. If I made the same thread about atheism, I would get the ban stick.
BE FAIR.
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