Atheists...Check this out. (believing, verses, scripture, evidence)

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by Oakback

be careful,now you two are sounding like theists.

Thank you for keeping me in check. Whew! Almost slipped over to the dark side there for a minute....

[JViello]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

I'm kind of wondering if you are referring to the "bang there it is" as in God caused the Big Bang or if you are referring to God "banged" the universe into existence as it currently is or something close to it? The two are quite different.

Good point, let me explain my position a little further.

I believe that it's perfect acceptable to think that the "big bang" if that theory is in fact true (Not saying either way) was God bringing the univers into existance. I believe in a creation process. Was it six earth days or six "God days"? Was it 6000 years or 6000 billion years? I don't know. Do I know how exactly he did it? No. But I do believe "science" is only discovering what is already there and that leads me to the next thought.

Even to the casual observer it's obvious you cant get something from nothing. It's never been done on this earth and as far as we know the universe.

0+0 = 0 And even the fact that zero has a value shows that it had to originate from something to be nothing!

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by JViello

Good point, let me explain my position a little further.

I believe that it's perfect acceptable to think that the "big bang" if that theory is in fact true (Not saying either way) was God bringing the univers into existance. I believe in a creation process. Was it six earth days or six "God days"? I don't know. Do I know how exactly he did it? No.

But even to the casual observer it's obvious you cant get something from nothing. It's never been done on this earth and as far as we know the universe.

0+0 = 0 And even the fact that zero has a value shows that it had to originate from something to be nothing!

Who said anything about there being a time of nothing? What if matter always existed? I like your equation but I like this one better: E=MC²

[JViello]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

Who said anything about there being a time of nothing? What if matter always existed?

Science does not support that. Only scripture does.

I like your equation but I like this one better: E=MC²

Even that equation relies on things that exist - and they came from something.

[RoaminRed]

Originally Posted by Oakback

be careful,now you two are sounding like theists.

You're seeing things...all I see is an atheist and an agnostic having a good "what if" philosophical conversation.

[JViello]

Originally Posted by RoaminRed

You're seeing things...

Well, being a believer does open your eyes and mind beyond yourself.

[Old Gringo]

Originally Posted by JViello

Ahhh, no, actually.

That's good! Because it appears we're in agreement then, that ALL gods are equally valid.

Sorry to disappoint you.

My only disappointment is that you didn't weigh in on my thread on the subject.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/relig...lly-valid.html

[JViello]

Originally Posted by Old Gringo

That's good! Because it appears we're in agreement then, that ALL gods are equally valid.



My only disappointment is that you didn't weigh in on my thread on the subject.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/relig...lly-valid.html

Well, I never said that.

I said they were not all "naive and ignorant" as you put it.

It's all relative to what you know/believe.

[RoaminRed]

Originally Posted by JViello

Well, being a believer does open your eyes and mind beyond yourself.

Oh, just like drugs and schizophrenia... And ya know, if I didn't look at anything beyond myself, I sure wouldn't be interested in anything being said here, so that pretty much shoots the heck out of that little remark, doesn't it?

[Old Gringo]

Originally Posted by JViello

Well, I never said that.

I said they were not all "naive and ignorant" as you put it.

It's all relative to what you know/believe.

Believers tend to see everything in the light of their beliefs.

We infidels are free of that burden.