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Old 08-15-2015, 07:10 AM
 
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Our bodies should be vehicles housing us and protecting us and even running errands for us.
But these psychopathic bodies has evolved to do just the opposite. You are it's *****.

We can, to a certain extent, reprogram these bodies to ease the symptoms but ultimately it is impossible for us mortals to do what we would need to do to program them correctly so we could break out of the endless cycle of birth-aging-death-rebirth

You may feel as though you have woken up and seen the light but all that has really happened is that you have reincarnated back into the dream with a different self-image. Your body wont let you wake up.

Old age is just a 'state of mind'


Your brain is divided into 3 main parts each of which is capable of thinking and acting autonomously:

Midbrain (input) decides why to do anything
Forebrain (CEO) decides what to do
Cerebellum (output) decides how to do it

The cerebral cortex (forebrain) is CEO.
You are the forebrain.
The midbrain and cerebellum are your helpers that take care of routine tasks so you can concentrate on more important things.
Most information goes straight from input to output bypassing the forebrain.
Much, if not all, of the processing done by the forebrain is inductive in nature.
The forebrain is the source of imagination and dreams

The midbrain is input.
The midbrain has thousands of eyes and can raise the alarm when something needs your attention
These alarms exert an irresistible all-powerful force upon you.
Fortunately for us the midbrain only wants what is best for us and never asks anything for itself.
These alarms are capable of supplying us with infinite MentalEnergy and power.
Alarm = fear.
Anti-alarm = excitement.
The midbrain is the true "sun" that lights up the soul.

The cerebellum (hindbrain) is output.
The cerebellum has thousands of hands and can juggle thousands of things at once but has no clue "what" it is doing.
The cerebellum takes care of simple procedures so the forebrain can concentrate on more important issues. (It also helps the midbrain accomplish its tasks)
You point at the target and the cerebellum shoots. (But sometimes it "misses the mark" that you set for it)
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Old 08-15-2015, 08:25 AM
 
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Our bodies should be vehicles housing us and protecting us and even running errands for us.
But these psychopathic bodies has evolved to do just the opposite. You are it's *****.

We can, to a certain extent, reprogram these bodies to ease the symptoms but ultimately it is impossible for us mortals to do what we would need to do to program them correctly so we could break out of the endless cycle of birth-aging-death-rebirth

You may feel as though you have woken up and seen the light but all that has really happened is that you have reincarnated back into the dream with a different self-image. Your body wont let you wake up.

Old age is just a 'state of mind'


Your brain is divided into 3 main parts each of which is capable of thinking and acting autonomously:

Midbrain (input) decides why to do anything
Forebrain (CEO) decides what to do
Cerebellum (output) decides how to do it

The cerebral cortex (forebrain) is CEO.
You are the forebrain.
The midbrain and cerebellum are your helpers that take care of routine tasks so you can concentrate on more important things.
Most information goes straight from input to output bypassing the forebrain.
Much, if not all, of the processing done by the forebrain is inductive in nature.
The forebrain is the source of imagination and dreams

The midbrain is input.
The midbrain has thousands of eyes and can raise the alarm when something needs your attention
These alarms exert an irresistible all-powerful force upon you.
Fortunately for us the midbrain only wants what is best for us and never asks anything for itself.
These alarms are capable of supplying us with infinite MentalEnergy and power.
Alarm = fear.
Anti-alarm = excitement.
The midbrain is the true "sun" that lights up the soul.

The cerebellum (hindbrain) is output.
The cerebellum has thousands of hands and can juggle thousands of things at once but has no clue "what" it is doing.
The cerebellum takes care of simple procedures so the forebrain can concentrate on more important issues. (It also helps the midbrain accomplish its tasks)
You point at the target and the cerebellum shoots. (But sometimes it "misses the mark" that you set for it)
source?
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:00 AM
 
Location: USA
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granpa has gone Eastern...
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Old 08-15-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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Our bodies should be vehicles housing us and protecting us and even running errands for us.
But these psychopathic bodies has evolved to do just the opposite. You are it's *****.

We can, to a certain extent, reprogram these bodies to ease the symptoms but ultimately it is impossible for us mortals to do what we would need to do to program them correctly so we could break out of the endless cycle of birth-aging-death-rebirth

You may feel as though you have woken up and seen the light but all that has really happened is that you have reincarnated back into the dream with a different self-image. Your body wont let you wake up.

Old age is just a 'state of mind'


Your brain is divided into 3 main parts each of which is capable of thinking and acting autonomously:

Midbrain (input) decides why to do anything
Forebrain (CEO) decides what to do
Cerebellum (output) decides how to do it

The cerebral cortex (forebrain) is CEO.
You are the forebrain.
The midbrain and cerebellum are your helpers that take care of routine tasks so you can concentrate on more important things.
Most information goes straight from input to output bypassing the forebrain.
Much, if not all, of the processing done by the forebrain is inductive in nature.
The forebrain is the source of imagination and dreams

The midbrain is input.
The midbrain has thousands of eyes and can raise the alarm when something needs your attention
These alarms exert an irresistible all-powerful force upon you.
Fortunately for us the midbrain only wants what is best for us and never asks anything for itself.
These alarms are capable of supplying us with infinite MentalEnergy and power.
Alarm = fear.
Anti-alarm = excitement.
The midbrain is the true "sun" that lights up the soul.

The cerebellum (hindbrain) is output.
The cerebellum has thousands of hands and can juggle thousands of things at once but has no clue "what" it is doing.
The cerebellum takes care of simple procedures so the forebrain can concentrate on more important issues. (It also helps the midbrain accomplish its tasks)
You point at the target and the cerebellum shoots. (But sometimes it "misses the mark" that you set for it)
Do you know I have read something similar in Buddhist texts and now I am reading on sikh religion and find they also believe in the cycle of reincarnation!
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Old 08-15-2015, 05:09 PM
 
Location: USA
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Our bodies should be vehicles housing us and protecting us and even running errands for us.
But these psychopathic bodies has evolved to do just the opposite. You are it's *****.

We can, to a certain extent, reprogram these bodies to ease the symptoms but ultimately it is impossible for us mortals to do what we would need to do to program them correctly so we could break out of the endless cycle of birth-aging-death-rebirth

You may feel as though you have woken up and seen the light but all that has really happened is that you have reincarnated back into the dream with a different self-image. Your body wont let you wake up.

Old age is just a 'state of mind'


Your brain is divided into 3 main parts each of which is capable of thinking and acting autonomously:

Midbrain (input) decides why to do anything
Forebrain (CEO) decides what to do
Cerebellum (output) decides how to do it

The cerebral cortex (forebrain) is CEO.
You are the forebrain.
The midbrain and cerebellum are your helpers that take care of routine tasks so you can concentrate on more important things.
Most information goes straight from input to output bypassing the forebrain.
Much, if not all, of the processing done by the forebrain is inductive in nature.
The forebrain is the source of imagination and dreams

The midbrain is input.
The midbrain has thousands of eyes and can raise the alarm when something needs your attention
These alarms exert an irresistible all-powerful force upon you.
Fortunately for us the midbrain only wants what is best for us and never asks anything for itself.
These alarms are capable of supplying us with infinite MentalEnergy and power.
Alarm = fear.
Anti-alarm = excitement.
The midbrain is the true "sun" that lights up the soul.

The cerebellum (hindbrain) is output.
The cerebellum has thousands of hands and can juggle thousands of things at once but has no clue "what" it is doing.
The cerebellum takes care of simple procedures so the forebrain can concentrate on more important issues. (It also helps the midbrain accomplish its tasks)
You point at the target and the cerebellum shoots. (But sometimes it "misses the mark" that you set for it)
Are you bitchin' at God or evolution? As it turns out, old age is a good deal more than just a "state of mind." My mind is still reasonably serviceable, but my body is 67 years old. As far as 67 year old bodies go, this one isn't too bad I reckon. I bicycle 15 miles a day every day. Doctor says my heart is strong. Even so, I know I am not the guy I was 30 years ago. But imagine if we never aged and we were for evermore the person we were at, say 30. It's estimated that between 70-80 billion homo sapiens have existed over the course of time. Trying to live on this planet with 70-80 billion other people with an overwhelming urge to procreate and simply no interest in dying off at all wouldn't really be tenable, would it? Biology has decreed that all living things should have a lifespan, however. So a constant renewal occurs. Everything dies. Out with the old and in with the new. Biology seems to have a reasonably good handle on what's best for living organisms in the long run. It actually seems like a perfectly good system when you consider it logically. It's just that you and I happen to be living organisms. Other than that....
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Old 08-15-2015, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Trying to live on this planet with 70-80 billion other people with an overwhelming urge to procreate and simply no interest in dying off at all wouldn't really be tenable, would it?
Hypothetical people with biological immortality would likely get procreation out of their system with 1 or 2 kids, and then stop. I don't think they'd just keep having them forever. Even our current short lifespans are structured around the concept of getting child-rearing out of the way and then having "me time".

Populations level out when resources are scarce. People who are more educated and/or wealthy also tend to have far fewer kids.
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Biology has decreed that all living things should have a lifespan, however. So a constant renewal occurs. Everything dies. Out with the old and in with the new. Biology seems to have a reasonably good handle on what's best for living organisms in the long run. It actually seems like a perfectly good system when you consider it logically. It's just that you and I happen to be living organisms. Other than that....
I am conflicted about whether biological immortality or even just greatly increased lifespans would be a good thing. I don't see aging and death as a reflection of some sort of "wisdom" built into evolution. Evolution optimizes for survival, not for enjoyment. On the other hand there can be unintended consequences that are hard to predict.

I guess at the end of the day it's nice to have options. I think science should extend quality of life to the extent it can, including indefinitely, and then people can decide for themselves how long they want to continue to have new experiences.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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You may feel as though you have woken up and seen the light, but all that has really
happened is that you have reincarnated back into the dream with a different self-image.
You don't hear many people around these parts recognizing this is a 'dream' !
Thanks for that.

Of course, like anything else ...a direct experience of that is the best.
(I had it at 8 years old, 1st x...a spiritually transforming experience, indeed! An STE, ha)

As far as Eastern...too bad more haven't caught onto the many references
NOT taken out of the Bible referring to reincarnation...it was simply an
accepted belief in Jesus' day reflected in questions to him and his answers.
Jesus was very 'Eastern' !!
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Old 08-16-2015, 07:40 PM
 
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Do you know I have read something similar in Buddhist texts and now I am reading on sikh religion and find they also believe in the cycle of reincarnation!
So do the Jews...
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Old 08-16-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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You don't hear many people around these parts recognizing this is a 'dream' !
Thanks for that.

Of course, like anything else ...a direct experience of that is the best.
(I had it at 8 years old, 1st x...a spiritually transforming experience, indeed! An STE, ha)

As far as Eastern...too bad more haven't caught onto the many references
NOT taken out of the Bible referring to reincarnation...it was simply an
accepted belief in Jesus' day reflected in questions to him and his answers.
Jesus was very 'Eastern' !!
Did you get shots for your STE?...
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Old 08-17-2015, 02:10 AM
 
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Our bodies should be vehicles housing us and protecting us and even running errands for us.
But these psychopathic bodies has evolved to do just the opposite. You are it's *****.

We can, to a certain extent, reprogram these bodies to ease the symptoms but ultimately it is impossible for us mortals to do what we would need to do to program them correctly so we could break out of the endless cycle of birth-aging-death-rebirth

You may feel as though you have woken up and seen the light but all that has really happened is that you have reincarnated back into the dream with a different self-image. Your body wont let you wake up.

Old age is just a 'state of mind'
There is no independent soul that survives physical death.
(Can be verified empirically and by philosophical justifications].
So the question of reviewing the 'self' physical-spiritual possibility via birth-aging-death-rebirth is moot.

However it would be more interesting to put the question/thought of the 'old age' dilemma within the problem solving model of

Input:
1. birth- worry of the problem of birth-rebirth
2. aging-
3. death-
4. rebirth
Output:
5. Worry about old age invoke fears, at least subliminally if not consciously
Control:
6. Worry about old age further lead to birth of another worry, thus to 1
7. To 1 and the cycle is ruminated continuously.

The brain is divided into three main parts;
1. The lower reptilian brain
2. The Mid limbic mammalian brain
3. The higher cerebral human brain - the CEO and Functional managers.



The problem of birth > aging > death > rebirth then to birth1 > aging1 > death1 > rebirth1 to birth2 and thus the continual cycles start from one of the 'functional managers' of the Neocortex which has a loop with the emotional centers of the mid-limbic brain which thus created further emotional havoc as the birth to rebirth is caught in a loop.

To resolve the issue the CEO with his team must understand [cure its ignorance] of the mechanics of the full system of the brain and marshal resources to develop a modulating system to ensure that functional manager do not feed unwarranted fear-inducing information to the faculty of fears within the limbic system.

The modulation system will break the mental cycle of ruminations of birth > aging > death > rebirth. The resultant is no worry of birth, aging, death and rebirth and the total system can concentrate on optimization instead of fire-fighting unjustified fears.
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