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Old 01-30-2008, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
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...I think you will find that most leading atheists are complete naturalists...
Leading Atheists?

You mean Atheists are organized and have leaders, like religions?

Who would be the world's leading Atheist and how did he get this position?

Most Atheists I know are individual free thinkers and the concept of "Leading Atheists" runs counter the very core of their convictions.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:26 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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That's quite an amazing extrapolation on his post you've made there. He's not saying either of those things.
Actually, this is exactly what is being said without the rationalization of religion.
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:47 AM
 
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Leading Atheists?

You mean Atheists are organized and have leaders, like religions?

Who would be the world's leading Atheist and how did he get this position?

Most Atheists I know are individual free thinkers and the concept of "Leading Atheists" runs counter the very core of their convictions.
Now you're being deliberately disingenuous.

"Leading atheists" is a much different term than "atheist leaders". A well-known atheist who is respected and has a voice within the media or scientific circles would be a leading atheist. There are, however, no atheist leaders.
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:03 PM
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Leading Atheists?

You mean Atheists are organized and have leaders, like religions?

Who would be the world's leading Atheist and how did he get this position?

Most Atheists I know are individual free thinkers and the concept of "Leading Atheists" runs counter the very core of their convictions.


Just like you could have a leading scientist of some sort, it doesn't mean that they are some how in control or posses a position of authority within a group. One leading atheist that stands out in my mind is Richard Dawkins.
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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So the problem with this is that the underlying priciple behind Atheism is that the world was created without God and that there is no such thing as a spiritual realm.

I agree with FF above--that is what you've decided atheism is about.
I think it's more than a single opinion. I've never even heard of an atheist who believed in a spiritual realm until a read a few posts on this thread. The overwhelming majority of atheists believe in nothing supernatural or a spiritual realm. I've been an atheist all of my adult life and am very familiar with the beliefs of atheists, some who are well known writers as well as everyday people like myself. A person who says they're an atheist and yet they believe in ghosts or the spirit world is a walking contradiction.
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:17 PM
 
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I've never even heard of an atheist who believed in a spiritual realm until a read a few posts on this thread. The overwhelming majority of atheists believe in nothing supernatural or a spiritual realm. I've been an atheist all of my adult life and am very familiar with the beliefs of atheists,
I have been an atheist for over 60 years, ever since I heard about "God" when I was about four or five years old. I have no idea what "the majority of atheists" believe, nor do I care. Those whom I know personally tend to think like I do.

By the way, I always find writings and lectures by Sam Harris to be enjoyable, informative, and entertaining. I think Richard Dawkins is boring, condescending, and preachy.
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:09 AM
 
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No, we don't believe in anything that steps in the boundaries of the supernatural. Atheists can't believe in spirits or ghosts because their rational way of thinking doesn't allow them to.
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:25 AM
 
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I agree, the only defining item for an atheist is non-belief in a god thing. After that there is no dogma, no rules, nothing else at all that defines any atheist.

Very simple. atheist = no god-thing.



Of course for years atheist have told us that only a delusional person would believe in a spiritual world. And that is because they did not believe the Bible. So if atheists are now saying they do believe in ghost. Then they are now telling us the Bible was speaking the truth when it told us that a spiritual world does exist. The Bible also tells us there is a God that exist in this spiritual world.
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:28 AM
 
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No, we don't believe in anything that steps in the boundaries of the supernatural. Atheists can't believe in spirits or ghosts because their rational way of thinking doesn't allow them to.
However their rational way of thinking fails them when evidence suggest that ghost do exist. And this belief is being confirmed by so many. Atheists really have put themselves in a box, and that is because they have limited the evidence they can accept.
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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No, we don't believe in anything that steps in the boundaries of the supernatural. Atheists can't believe in spirits or ghosts because their rational way of thinking doesn't allow them to.
Wrong! Just like anyone else, an atheist can believe in anything that they wish to. It is only those that feel their religion forbids them to do so who are not allowed to think outside the dogma of their particular sect.
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