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Old 09-15-2015, 12:49 AM
 
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Since anyone who didn't sleep through biology class in 7th grade knows that humans did not evolve from chimps, your entire question is pointless nonsense.
Sad thing is people who ask these kinds of questions are totally serious. Worse, when they say, "I didn't come from no monkey!" not even knowing the difference between great apes and monkeys. DNA, common ancestor...these things are completely foreign to them.
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Old 09-15-2015, 12:52 AM
 
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Sad thing is people who ask these kinds of questions are totally serious. Worse, when they say, "I didn't come from no monkey!" not even knowing the difference between great apes and monkeys. DNA, common ancestor...these things are completely foreign to them.
They do an insult to themselves and an insult to the "god" they are supposed to represent.
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Old 09-15-2015, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Yes, it's the same "kind".
Yep. Just like when animals evolve into other kinds of animals, they are still animals. All within the same Kingdom Kind. So it is microevolution. So then, an example of Macro-evolution would then be a horse giving birth to an ear of corn. IOW a strawman giving birth to a red herring.
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Old 09-15-2015, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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Why can't creation and evolution coexist?
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Old 09-15-2015, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Why can't creation and evolution coexist?
They can.

But not the way the bible-believers spin it.
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Old 09-15-2015, 06:21 PM
 
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If man came from chimp then where are the well and alive chimps that share the following DNA match with humans before a chimp became a man?
Your first problem is that man did not descend directly from chimps. We descended from a common ancestor of theirs.

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(There is quite a healthy community of scientists who do NOT believe in theory of evolution where man came from monkey;...snip)
Do you want to know why? Because true scientists know that humans did not evolve from monkeys; humans and monkeys both evolved from an extinct common ancestor.

I don't know a single scientist who does not believe in Evolution. In fact it's a none issue among scientists since we all know it's a fact. That's like trying to say there are some scientists who don't believe the earth orbits the sun.

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How come the chimps survive for gazillion of years but the chimps that would share 98.9% DNA with humans are no where to be seen running around?
You would have to understand how Evolution works.

To ask a question of the form ‘If Species X evolved from Species Y, how come Species Y is still around?’ is to misunderstand how evolution works. Entire species do not evolve into new species; new species tend to evolve as isolated offshoots of existing (parent) species.

In some cases, newly evolved species can end up out-competing their parent (or sibling) species, driving them to extinction, but by no means in all cases. So, even if Species X evolved from Species Y, there is no reason why Species Y should not still exist.
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Old 09-15-2015, 06:25 PM
 
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Why can't creation and evolution coexist?
They can. It is called theistic evolution. Science is pretty cool with it.

This

while I might take issue with a couple of the statements, generally it explains the three options pretty well

(1) abiogenesis and evolution. Happened naturally with no gods involved.
(2Theistic evolution. argues that evolution is correct, but a god was behind it.
(3) Creation. asserts that it was all made by a god and evolution theory is false.

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Old 09-15-2015, 06:27 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Your first problem is that man did not descend directly from chimps. We descended from a common ancestor of theirs.

Do you want to know why? Because true scientists know that humans did not evolve from monkeys; humans and monkeys both evolved from an extinct common ancestor.

I don't know a single scientist who does not believe in Evolution. In fact it's a none issue among scientists since we all know it's a fact. That's like trying to say there are some scientists who don't believe the earth orbits the sun.

You would have to understand how Evolution works.

To ask a question of the form ‘If Species X evolved from Species Y, how come Species Y is still around?’ is to misunderstand how evolution works. Entire species do not evolve into new species; new species tend to evolve as isolated offshoots of existing (parent) species.

In some cases, newly evolved species can end up out-competing their parent (or sibling) species, driving them to extinction, but by no means in all cases. So, even if Species X evolved from Species Y, there is no reason why Species Y should not still exist.
Just to check - aren't the chimps that share 98% of DNA with humans still around? That's how we know we share 98% of DNA with them?
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Old 09-15-2015, 06:33 PM
 
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You have to give them grudging thanks though, for exposing their ignorance so blatantly, and so regularly. It keeps newcomers and new lurkers abreast of the current fundie non-think.
I've often thought that outspoken fundies are one of the best tools for increasing the rate of atheism now that information is so readily available.

I really believe that some if the more extreme religious people who post here are doing far more for secularism than any of the atheists. Sometimes their posts can be facepalmingly depressing but there is a silver lining.
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Old 09-15-2015, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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And here I was expecting it would be some new animal that we could finally add to kids' "animal books," instead of the same old lions, tigers, bears, cows, goats, etc.

Instead, it's a....fruit fly.
*Sigh*
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