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Here are the top seven arguments--and the counter argument--that same sex sex is unnatural:
1. Only humans engage in same-sex relationships, so it must be unnatural. False. Over 1000 species have been shown to engage in same-sex mating and pair-bonding.
2. Reproduction is the purpose of sex; same-sex intercourse cannot produce offspring; ergo, homosexuality is unnatural.
Based on an incorrect assumption. While reproduction is one function of sexual intercourse, it is far from the only one.Many animal species, including humans, engage in non-reproductive sexual behaviour. Among humans, the benefits of regular sexual intercourse are myriad. Various studies have found that it: improves one’s ability to deal with stress; lowers blood pressure; boosts antibody production; burns calories; reduces the chance of a heart attack; improves self-esteem; deepens intimacy; builds trust; etc. etc.
(But you don't want homosexuals to enjoy the myriad benefits of sex)
3. Homosexuality is an evolutionary dead-end, and would therefore not occur naturally.
False. First, a lot of genetic conditions are evolutionary dead-ends, as they cause either death in childhood or infertility. But no one denies the existence of such conditions. Natural selection does not mean that a reproductively negative trait will be eliminated in the gene pool, but only that it will not typically be selected—and so will remain relatively uncommon.
4.Since there is no proof of a gay gene, people are not born that way.
Disingenuous. This intentionally ignores that very few inherited conditions are the result of a single gene, that there are obviously epigenetic* factors at play in the development of a person’s sexuality, and that intrauterine hormones have also been shown to affect sexual orientation, gender identity, and sexual expression. Autism is also not associated with a single gene, but we’d hardly claim that it is not biological, or that children choose to be autistic.
5. Homosexuality is caused by childhood abuse, parental neglect or emotional distance, and other factors of upbringing, not biological factors.
False. Numerous scientific studies have proven this is simply not true. There is absolutely no reason to blame parents for their child’s sexual orientation. Indeed, there is no reason to “blame” anyone.
6. Sexual orientation can be changed by ex-gay therapy, so it’s not a permanent state.
False. People have been trying for at least 150 years to find techniques to change sexual orientation. While sometimes, if rarely, such technique result in changes of behavior, none result in a change of orientation. Even people who have benefited from the ex-gay movement admit it does not change orientation. As Alan Chambers, president of Exodus International (the once preeminent but now defunct ex-gay therapy program), put it in 2012, “The majority of people that I have met, and I would say the majority meaning 99.9% of them, have not experienced a change in their orientation … .”
7. If everyone were gay, the human species would die out.
That’s true. And … ? Seriously. If everyone had any number of inherited conditions the human species would die out. Are we going to judge everyone with those conditions as being sinful and/or unnatural? We have over 7 billion humans on this planet. It’s okay if a few members of the species are incapable of or disinterested in pairing up with a member of the opposite sex to produce babies. That’s also ignoring the fact that we have artificial insemination readily available.
(material by Lynette Cowper who is a Christian who is active in her church’s worship and drama ministries. As a parent of two children, one on the LGBTQIA spectrum and one on the autism spectrum, she has a deep passion toward justice for those society too often sees as outsiders.)
jimmie, you won't change your mind about this, because that would be admitting to bigotry, so God has hardened your heart and blinded your eyes. While I think He is willing to take you in--I also think you're going to have to climb out of the grave you've dug for yourself all by yourself.
I've never used any of those arguments. Perhaps you're thinking of someone else.
So nateswift is right. Natural=jimmie likey. Unnatural = jimmie no likey. Gotcha. You still aren't right, even constantly moving your own goalposts. Using a computer is not natural. Natural = found in nature.
So nateswift is right. Natural=jimmie likey. Unnatural = jimmie no likey. Gotcha. You still aren't right, even constantly moving your own goalposts. Using a computer is not natural. Natural = found in nature.
So nateswift is right. Natural=jimmie likey. Unnatural = jimmie no likey. Gotcha. You still aren't right, even constantly moving your own goalposts. Using a computer is not natural. Natural = found in nature.
Heart surgery isn't natural. Cracking open a rib cage isn't natural. Putting an artificial valve on a human heart isn't natural. Heart transplants aren't natural.
Which should make a gay cardiologist a fundamentalist's worst nightmare. But of course.... they aren't going to say, "NO" if that gay cardiologist is going to save their life.
"Unnatural" is behavior jimmiej doesn't like, plain and simple.
It is not a subtle distinction jimmie is having trouble defending, even Dr. Laura has been known to say that two vaginas were not made to have sex together nor were two penises. The reproductive truth of such distinctions is unassailable, but not controlling because sexual enjoyment is not limited to reproduction. The latter is what is not accepted by jimmie and his ilk.
It is not a subtle distinction jimmie is having trouble defending, even Dr. Laura has been known to say that two vaginas were not made to have sex together nor were two penises. The reproductive truth of such distinctions is unassailable, but not controlling because sexual enjoyment is not limited to reproduction. The latter is what is not accepted by jimmie and his ilk.
Since you feel the need to refer to me as a boy, I will no longer respond to you.
Yeah, you should have said, "jimmie me boyo."
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Perhaps you're thinking of someone else.