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Old 10-10-2015, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I agree with the above.

It is as good as;
all humans breathe,
A Muslim breathe
Therefore all humans are Muslims.
What if the definition of Muslim were a person who performs the act of Breathing?

The Definition of Muslim is a person who performs the act of Islam.

The definition of Islam is submitting to God(swt)

I will agree there are Jews and Christians that do not perform Islam and are not Muslims. Their words and actions indicate they do not follow, worship or submit to God(swt) Some may not even believe in the existence of God(swt) but it is obvious they are not Muslim They them self will admit they do not perform Islam

Because a person tells me they are a Jew or Christian I do not assume they perform Islam. I rely on their actions and words to do that.

Same with the Prophets of the Past. If they show they are truly following God(swt) they are showing they are performing Islam and are therefore Muslim
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Old 10-10-2015, 08:56 AM
 
Location: East Bay
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Adam is a character in a fable written by superstitious people 2,000 years ago.
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Old 10-10-2015, 03:33 PM
 
Location: USA
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According the above, Jews, Christians, Sabeans submitted to God, therefore they perform Islam and thus are Muslims.
Adam submitted to God, therefore he was the first Muslim man.

Do Jews and Christians agree with the above claims?
This is like asking if anyone agrees that Santa uses Rudolph to guide his sleigh on Christmas eve. Given that the entire premise of what you are asking stems from myth and nonsense, any answer has no real meaning.
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Old 10-10-2015, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Adam is a character in a fable written by superstitious people 2,000 years ago.

2,000 years ago? You're thinking of Jesus. Adam was created, not borne, some 10,000 ago.
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Old 10-10-2015, 04:35 PM
 
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that is incorrect, Judaism recognizes other religions as a valid path to God, and that God is accesible to everyone, regardless of religion.

Will you please provide reference to what you said?

Judaism's purpose is to carry out what it holds to be the only Covenant between God and the Jewish people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Judaism

How "the only" covenant is "recognizing other religions"? And if that's the case, how is what you said in line with your own words:

I am Jewish; to be labelled Muslim is offensive, arrogant, ugly, and disrespectful to an extreme degree to me as a Jew
it is incorrect, dishonest, deceptive, and insulting. it is condescending and patronizing and degrading.

If you were following Judaism, and recognizing Islam, as other religion to god, why are you so offended?

I'd be delighted to learn that Judaism indeed is what you said it is. From say Torah.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:41 PM
 
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I have heard that Adam was either the first Jehova's Witness or else the first Reformed Protestant.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:51 PM
 
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If you were following Judaism, and recognizing Islam, as other religion to god, why are you so offended?
the offensive part for me is not that there are other religions. God made many religions so people everywhere could be reached. the offensive part for me is stating that Christians and Jews and Mormons are all Muslims. it is offensive because it is a deliberate deception. it is offensive in the same way a bait and switch is, using slippery words in a dishonest way to deliberately misrepresent something, with an entirely self-serving motive.

a thief can write on a piece of paper that they own my house. but all they are doing is revealing that they are a thief trying to steal my house with a forged document. also it is a form of identity theft, using my name as endorsement for something without my permission.

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Old 10-10-2015, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I have heard that Adam was either the first Jehova's Witness or else the first Reformed Protestant.
Makes no different what his religion was/is named he was the first Human to perform the act of Islam. (Submission to God) A person who performs Islam is called a Mu'Islam (Muslim in English) (Musulman in French) (Musulmán in Spanish) ( мусульманин [musul'manin] in Russian)
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Old 10-10-2015, 08:21 PM
 
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it is also a form of genocide, seeking to destroy an identity, and replace it by force against a person's will without their permission, with an imposed other name forced upon them. Such as when the early American settlers committed genocide against the Native Americans in the land now called North America. When children were sent to missionary schools, they were given a different name, chosen by the people seeking to subjugate them, "John" or "Mary" instead of the names their beloved family had given them.

the intention and motivation are the same: genocide and destruction of a people and an identity. Muslims renaming others forcibly against their will. Same thing: Subjugation. Genocide.

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Old 10-10-2015, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Makes no different what his religion was/is named he was the first Human to perform the act of Islam. (Submission to God) A person who performs Islam is called a Mu'Islam (Muslim in English) (Musulman in French) (Musulmán in Spanish) ( мусульманин [musul'manin] in Russian)
Correct me if I'm wrong but Adam did not submit to God. He was expelled from the garden of Eden remember, for lack of submission.

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