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Old 11-17-2015, 08:14 PM
 
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That's a hard one!
I know. Guess it was too hard for you too.
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Old 11-17-2015, 08:32 PM
 
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I am so confused, do I use the universities and professional science associations or some random guy on the Internet to decide what is or is not science?

Should I use a textbook on human evolution or a random 3 minute youtube video to understand human evolution.

Should I use scholarly texts on a particular religion or some random guy on a forum to find out the Tennant of that religion,
Notice, you will read a book or listen to a scientist to learn and believe in human evolution.

No matter which way you go, you cannot observe human evolution with your own eyes. You can't prove it with an experiment either.

You will only see signs * IF * you are out there on a quest to believe in it - and then you can use your own intelligence to connect the dots and put your faith in human evolution - and I don't have an issue with it.

Believers in God do somewhat the same * WHEN * they are out there to find God.
They read a book, or listen to a subject matter specialist. They do their own research and see what speaks to them.
No matter what do they do, they can't see God with their own eyes. They cannot perform an experiment in a lab to make God visible in front them.

On their quest to find God, they look for signs, connect the dots and use their own intelligence to put faith in the existence of God - And once they put their faith in the existence God and his message to humanity, they become free of worrying about man coming from a monkey - just as an evolunist becomes free of worrying about existence of God when he puts his faith in the human evolution of, Fish >monkey > man > monkey > fish.

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Old 11-17-2015, 08:47 PM
 
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Of course they are trained with the use of pen but the skill of use of a pen is blessed to humans by God. This is clearly mentioned in Quran.

All other gazillions of supposedly evolving species over millions of years could not develop the skill of using a pen because God only blessed humans with it.

Yes, you can work very hard to train a monkey to write a few words but that's it. It cannot build on it, it cannot pass it on to it's generation. And it DEFINITELY it cannot learn how to develop the skill of using a pen on it's own just like early humans did.
Nothing in evolution precludes evolution of another species with the same skills as modern humans.

Chimps do teach skills to their offspring:

http://www.eva.mpg.de/primat/staff/b...ach_chimps.pdf



Then there is this:

She Reveals Her Baby Died, Now Watch What The Chimp Does. I'm In TEARS!
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:11 PM
 
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Nothing in evolution precludes evolution of another species with the same skills as modern humans.

Chimps do teach skills to their offspring:

http://www.eva.mpg.de/primat/staff/b...ach_chimps.pdf



Then there is this:

She Reveals Her Baby Died, Now Watch What The Chimp Does. I'm In TEARS!
Yes, many species teach their off springs some skills; however, none can learn the use of pen on its own and pass it on to it's off springs - It's ONLY and ONLY humans. And that's because God has ingrained and gifted this skill to humans only on earth.

Out of gazillion of species over 100 and millions of years NONE could learn the use of pen except humans - the "theory" of Human evolution is unable to explain this - And I don't have an issue with anyone who has a * FAITH * in human evolution.

But when you talk about "observable scientific evidence" to prove or disapprove human evolution - then it becomes an altogether different ball game.
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:13 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMqFivWTmk

Evolutionists keep telling us man did not evolve from the Ape. And yet here is a scientific video by ScienceNet whose title is "From Ape to Man." Go figure.
People keep trying to convince me that the Earth rotates every 24 hours, but I refuse to listen to them. I know for a fact that they're wrong, because I once saw a movie entitled "The Day The Earth Stood Still." So how could it possibly still be rotating?

Eusebius, of all the incredibly ridiculous nonsense I've seen you post, this has to be in the Top Ten. But by all means, keep posting foolishness like this, so anyone reading the forum will be reminded of what religion does to the human brain.
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:16 PM
 
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Notice, you will read a book or listen to a scientist to learn and believe in human evolution.

No matter which way you go, you cannot observe human evolution with your own eyes. You can't prove it with an experiment either.

You will only see signs * IF * you are out there on a quest to believe in it - and then the you can use your own intelligence to connect the dots and put your faith in human evolution - and I don't have an issue with it.

Believers in God do somewhat the same * WHEN * they are out there to find God.
They read a book, or listen to a subject matter specialist. They do their own research and see what speaks to them.
No matter what do they do, they can't see God with their own eyes. They cannot perform an experiment in a lab to make God visible in front them.

On their quest to find God, they look for signs, connect the dots and use their own intelligence to put faith in the existence of God - And once they put their faith in the existence God and his message to humanity, they become free of worrying about man coming from a monkey - just as an evolunist becomes free of worrying about existence of God when he puts his faith in the human evolution of, Fish >monkey > man > monkey > fish.
So you don't believe anything you cannot see except for religion? Ever see love, plate tectonics, a child grow, the Laurentide ice sheet, gravity, heat? You might want to find out what science is and what is evidence but you are probably happier staying ignorant and keep repeating the same senseless comments.

If I wish to learn about a religion I would read books and articles, talk to people of yhat religion and ask questions.

What I don't do is to try to tell religious people what their religion states without knowing much about it. I do disagree with them when they try to use their religious beliefs against other people. I also do not worry about there being no god same as I doubt you worry about there being no Odin or Bigfoot. And religious people can and do accept the theory of evolution. Not sure why so many of those who oppose evolution seem to miss the whole thing about evolution and religion are not mutually exclusive.

Not all science involves experiments. I have a degree in science and both my major and minor involve more observation and deduction , physical geography and geology. Go tell the oil companies they are wasting their money hiring petroleum geologist because they never saw petroleum being created and it is not a experiment based science.

You certainly do not make your faith look stronger when you keep repeating the same wrong headed arguments against evolution. I have suggested to others before you that if you wish to argue against evolution you should learn enough so you don't sound clueless by misrepresenting evolution each time you make a post. And there is nothing to fear from evolution, no one says you have to belief it, just that you should not lie about it in an attempt to disprove the theory.
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:19 PM
 
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Hahahaha ... did you see? The monkey was TRAINED to write ... it did not know it by himself.

Simply proves my point, Humans were GIVEN the skill to be able to use the pen, by no other than God.
I'd like to see you go against this chimp, chump.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsXP8qeFF6A
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:32 PM
 
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I swear to god, I can feel my IQ drop 20 points every time I read a thread in "Religion and Spirituality."
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:39 PM
 
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Only one camp - yours - remains deliberately blind to the truth.

You bring shame to your Creator.
Trout, the truth is they just do not want to know anything that shakes their tree... Greater men than I agree...

You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe...........Carl Sagan

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.....Benjamin Franklin

Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions.....Frater Ravus

"Faith" means not wanting to know what is true......Friedrich Nietzsche
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Old 11-17-2015, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Yes, many species teach their off springs some skills; however, none can learn the use of pen on its own and pass it on to it's off springs - It's ONLY and ONLY humans. And that's because God has ingrained and gifted this skill to humans only on earth.

Out of gazillion of species over 100 and millions of years NONE could learn the use of pen except humans - the "theory" of Human evolution is unable to explain this - And I don't have an issue with anyone who has a * FAITH * in human evolution.

But when you talk about "observable scientific evidence" to prove or disapprove human evolution - then it becomes an altogether different ball game.
No humans "learn the use of a pen" on their own. Every single one of us learned it by watching someone else do it or having someone show us how to use it. A pen is just a tool, and other animals use tools, too.

No one "proves" evolution. That is not how the scientific method works. The Theory of evolution could potentially be disproved (you may personally disapprove of the idea, but that is not what science does). Despite all the posts here, no one has cited any scientific evidence to disprove evolution, though. Just a bunch of people saying that they do not believe it.

No one believes the truth of evolution just based on faith. They believe it because the Theory accounts for the fossil record and correlates in comparative anatomy and DNA explains how it all happened. All the evidence supports the theory; there is none that does not.
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