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I don't know how that opinion article even makes the case you want it to make Jeff.
Even if "non-religious" was 100% "believes in a god", all that does is further highlight and isolate fundamentalist religious view...which I assume you would not deny being in the strict definition of the word.
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If a study concludes good things about religion, would you post it on here?
Sure. And I may even have in the past. What I will not post is anything positive about fundamentalist religions of any kind. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Hindus. I don't particularly care if someone actually has faith, what I care about if that someone or group of someones want to impose that faith on other populations.
Sure. And I may even have in the past. What I will not post is anything positive about fundamentalist religions of any kind. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Hindus. I don't particularly care if someone actually has faith, what I care about if that someone or group of someones want to impose that faith on other populations.
I don't agree with everything alot of fundamentalists believe- we may even share some common ground. For instance, I don't believe the sin of homosexuality will send someone to hell any more than the sin of adultry will. What particular issues do you take with them?
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I don't agree with everything alot of fundamentalists believe- we may even share some common ground. For instance, I don't believe the sin of homosexuality will send someone to hell any more than the sin of adultry will. What particular issues do you take with them?
I many years ago change my mind about homosexuality. My perspective now is if two people want to be in a loving relationship it is none of my business what they do in the bedroom. It is also known as societies business.
As far as adultery is concerned? I question anybody's morals who commits adultery. If you're in a relationship, whether you're actually married or not, be true to your partner.
Anything else is just lying. Amazingly, a lot of that goes on in the Bible Belt. Must be all that repressive religion driving that, or maybe hypocrisy is the real religion.
I many years ago change my mind about homosexuality. My perspective now is if two people want to be in a loving relationship it is none of my business what they do in the bedroom. It is also known as societies business.
As far as adultery is concerned? I question anybody's morals who commits adultery. If you're in a relationship, whether you're actually married or not, be true to your partner.
Anything else is just lying. Amazingly, a lot of that goes on in the Bible Belt. Must be all that repressive religion driving that, or maybe hypocrisy is the real religion.
I live in the Bible belt, although I was not raised that way. Our church takes a hard line with drinking, but I don't agree. Drinking to excess is a sin, and my past proves that over and over. Social drinking is not an issue to me, although it's not somehting I have the luxury of. I do not condone homosexuality, aduletry or any sin- Jesus himself doesn't condone sin. I do believe many churches look more closely at homosexuals, and should address the issues of adultery and pornography more (however, that would step on too many toes).
Looks like not every scientist agrees with this study. Some glaring problems here:
A christian physicist disputes sociology study.
The only real truth I see here is just another demonstration of how atheists like cupper will accept without question any study that puts down religion.
First thing, the sociology study never said all non-religious are atheist. It merely shows that within the sample, religions were probably fomenting more self-righteousness in children then in non-religous households, given that religious-raised children were more selfish and self-righteous than non-religious children when using the dictator game as a standard, etc (neither group were perfectly self-righteous nor perfectly altruistic). The religions were compared by Nation, including majority Muslim Nations and majority Christian Nations and China (probably a bunch of self-righteous Mahayana Buddhists), the results held significantly anyway, so either they all accidentally foment more self-righteousness currently or it is a common core of religiousness. More study is necessary.
BTW I've heard there are studies pointing to the idea that religious raised children are less likely to engage/experiment with harmful behaviors. Not too sure of any of the details of that one (or "those" if there is an actual replicable pattern)
I can't speak for immature little kids...but as a person that has given away the majority of the money I have made in my life...and before my parents got old and in declining health that required a lot of my time, I spent many hours helping in charitable endeavors...I know it is typical, at least in the U.S., to see charitable work heavily dominated by people who are theologically minded.
If you go to a soup kitchen, coat drive, food pantry, or the like...you will see most, and that would be MOST, that are there helping, have some religious affiliation.
I was always one of the few Atheists or nonreligious. It was such a given...they would always ask me where I worshipped. I would tell them straight up that I was a Atheist. True...they would invariably invite me to join at their services...but never showed any negativity what-so-ever toward me when I'd decline.
I never once saw any self aggrandizing...more like very humble. And if they did pat themselves on the back in private...I'm sure the people being fed, or getting some clothing, or holiday gifts for their kids, or their house fixed, or a ride somewhere...we're more appreciative of the help, than they were about whether the people helping were motivated by ego issues rather than a truly magnanimous attitude.
Post whatever you want. But anyone that has spent a lot of time doing charity work KNOWS...if you eliminated the Religious, you'd lose all but a small percentage of the crews doing the actual DOING.
Thanks for your sharing. I have also volunteered in quite a number charities even in secular ones and it is very common seeing people with a religious belief assisting there. With the charities run from a church, obviously a small percentage of volunteers do not have a religious belief there.
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