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I still never hear a response from religious fundamentalists about the estimated 30% (I've seen higher estimates) of fertilized eggs that don't implant and grow into humans. What do they make of this? "God works in mysterious ways?" "Its a lie"? If you know so many fertilized eggs never become humans in the regular nature of things, how can you say disposing of fertilized eggs in a laboratory is murder? And they can see which fertilized eggs will grow into humans with decent accuracy (per the article I linked to), so the eggs they dispose of highly likely wouldn't implant and grow anyway.
I will say that personally, once it begins growing and looking like a human, I'm very anti-abortion. But IVF, no problem with that.
I still never hear a response from religious fundamentalists about the estimated 30% (I've seen higher estimates) of fertilized eggs that don't implant and grow into humans. What do they make of this? "God works in mysterious ways?" "Its a lie"? If you know so many fertilized eggs never become humans in the regular nature of things, how can you say disposing of fertilized eggs in a laboratory is murder? And they can see which fertilized eggs will grow into humans with decent accuracy (per the article I linked to), so the eggs they dispose of highly likely wouldn't implant and grow anyway.
I will say that personally, once it begins growing and looking like a human, I'm very anti-abortion. But IVF, no problem with that.
People die every day of natural and unnatural causes -- accidents. But if one kills someone they are guilty of murder. We are not God--we do not get to take death in our own hands and determine if someone should die. Likewise, there is a difference between intentionally disposing of fertilized eggs, and procreating the old fashioned way.
People die every day of natural and unnatural causes -- accidents. But if one kills someone they are guilty of murder. We are not God--we do not get to take death in our own hands and determine if someone should die. Likewise, there is a difference between intentionally disposing of fertilized eggs, and procreating the old fashioned way.
Says who? Chapter and verse where God addresses in vitro fertilization?
Says who? Chapter and verse where God addresses in vitro fertilization?
I don't believe I have a right to cause the death of another human being. For that reason I'm opposed to abortion, and it's why my wife and I would not have done in vitro if we hadn't succeeded the old fashioned way. But I also realize that it's something that can be debated -- many people don't consider it that way, and that's why I said it's a judgment call.
People die every day of natural and unnatural causes -- accidents. But if one kills someone they are guilty of murder. We are not God--we do not get to take death in our own hands and determine if someone should die. Likewise, there is a difference between intentionally disposing of fertilized eggs, and procreating the old fashioned way.
If you go by the verses of the bible that zthatzmanz28 quoted, you are not a someone until you take your first breath.
So, IVF and abortion with guidelines we have now are well within reason and wouldn't be considered murder the way I see it.
And then there is the fact that you are free to live and define things according to your religious beliefs but you are not free to force others to join you in those beliefs.
If you believe IVF or abortion are murder, that's your choice.
I don't believe either one is murder, that's my choice.
People die every day of natural and unnatural causes -- accidents. But if one kills someone they are guilty of murder. We are not God--we do not get to take death in our own hands and determine if someone should die. Likewise, there is a difference between intentionally disposing of fertilized eggs, and procreating the old fashioned way.
So "God" can "kill" all the fertilized eggs he wants, but if people do it, it's murder.
I don't believe I have a right to cause the death of another human being. For that reason I'm opposed to abortion, and it's why my wife and I would not have done in vitro if we hadn't succeeded the old fashioned way. But I also realize that it's something that can be debated -- many people don't consider it that way, and that's why I said it's a judgment call.
I'll admit this. I don't consider a fertilized egg to be a human or a soul. But once it implants and starts growing? I have a hard time determining where a line is crossed. Once it looks like a baby, I could have no part in removing/killing it unless there was a medical determination that it was extremely deformed/not going to survive.
I'll admit this. I don't consider a fertilized egg to be a human or a soul. But once it implants and starts growing? I have a hard time determining where a line is crossed. Once it looks like a baby, I could have no part in removing/killing it unless there was a medical determination that it was extremely deformed/not going to survive.
That bolded part right there is the crux. We all draw our lines where they best fit out circumstances (usually). Who's to say where/when life begins and should that even be a question? I honestly don't know.
That bolded part right there is the crux. We all draw our lines where they best fit out circumstances (usually). Who's to say where/when life begins and should that even be a question? I honestly don't know.
Well, according to the Bible, Adam was alive when he took his first breath. Can't have a soul unless you are alive.
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