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Old 11-17-2015, 10:10 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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I'll go with the fundys with God on their side, as opposed to atheists with their intellectual superiority on their side. No contest!
This is what I don't get when people say this about non theist. How is me going with the perception of evidence that I have and making a decision any different than you doing the same and seeing God in that evidence? Is not the choice really up to each individual? Is it possible that you have evidence I don't and vice versa? Why is that intellectual superiority only on the part of the non theist? You say you humble yourself to God , but you chose God. You humble yourself to your ego.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:18 AM
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I'll go with the fundys with God on their side, as opposed to atheists with their intellectual superiority on their side. No contest!
That's your prerogative, but prerogative, itself, is an anathema for fundamentalism - another nail in its coffin.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:24 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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This entire topic is a non-issue, and is not new. It happened several years ago at Penn State. It has been brought up at state park lodges, and it has been discussed at lodging on military bases.

Yet, the OP appears to think that this is a new affront on Christianity. Where were you and all your outrage the other dozen times this topic has come up?
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Unfortunately there's nothing else to go on. All we have is various people's feelings on the subject. If we had any hard data to work with there would be a lot fewer atheists.
What you say makes sense. Faith however is based on more than feelings. No it is not based on scientific facts, but for me it's based on my experience with God. We can argue opinions all day, but we cannot argue with what other people have experienced in their life.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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This is what I don't get when people say this about non theist. How is me going with the perception of evidence that I have and making a decision any different than you doing the same and seeing God in that evidence? Is not the choice really up to each individual? Is it possible that you have evidence I don't and vice versa? Why is that intellectual superiority only on the part of the non theist? You say you humble yourself to God , but you chose God. You humble yourself to your ego.
I do go with evidence in my life- not what others tell me. It is a personal choice for all of us. We all have reasons that we believe what we do. I didn't believe until I was 38 years old, and then it was based strictly on overwhelming evidence in my life that God not only exists, but is concerned about me personally. I have no clue as to why you believe what you do. Your statement about ego is wrong, and besides I never used the word "humble" in what I've said. I do believe lack of humility keeps people from believing, or it is at least one reason some people don't believe.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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This is a tempest in a teapot, pragmatically speaking, in that this is the 21st century, not the mid 20th. As someone else pointed out, people can get the Bible and the Koran and a zillion other propaganda pieces via the Internet. They want to know the hotel WiFi password and how to work the TV remote and then if they want reading material and are traveling they likely have an entire library on their tablet device already.

If the Gideons want to waste $$ and resources "reaching" people by putting a fairly non-accessible and intimidating physical book in a drawer that most don't look in anymore, let them.
If it prevents even just one person from committing sucide, how can you call it a waste? Yes, it's the 21st century and there are a lot of lost people out there who wouldn't have any motivation to actively go out and seek the Bible. If they stumble on it in a hotel room then there is a chance they will pick up the book and read it.


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Of course in legal terms these are university-run and thus government owned and thus public buildings and like all such locales must either not promote any religion or provide equal access to all. I am given to understand that increasingly the trend is to have a central library that makes these books available upon request to any who wish to borrow them. My guess is that hotels get very few such requests.
"Promoting" is up to interpretation. Why can't the hotel disassociated themselves from the Christian faith and maintain a state of neutrality and still allow the Gideon Bible? If a hotel provides access to porn flicks, I wouldn't say they are promoting pornography. They are providing resources and options and not a single tax payer dollar is going to fund these Bibles.
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Old 11-17-2015, 10:55 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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I do go with evidence in my life- not what others tell me. It is a personal choice for all of us. We all have reasons that we believe what we do. I didn't believe until I was 38 years old, and then it was based strictly on overwhelming evidence in my life that God not only exists, but is concerned about me personally. I have no clue as to why you believe what you do. Your statement about ego is wrong, and besides I never used the word "humble" in what I've said. I do believe lack of humility keeps people from believing, or it is at least one reason some people don't believe.
Fair enough. Why do you cite intellectual superiority then? Why not say "lack of evidence" or "inability to perceive the evidence". You seem to be displaying an "us" vs "them" mentality. You stated you did not use the word humble to describe yourself but then said that it is a lack of humility that keeps (some) people from believing. Isn't that calling yourself humble? Are you aware of the term "splitting"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology) It is a trait high control groups try to instill in their members.
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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It is indeed an interesting link that debunks that Jefferson actually supported the Bible in public schools. Which is no surprise since he was wont to take a scissors to it to remove the miraculous legends and leave behind what he felt was of value (Google "Jefferson Bible").
I already knew that about Jefferson's Bible. However he deeply believed in Christianizing the American Indian and worked toward that end.

And of course where would we be without Chuck Norris' writing on Thomas Jefferson wanting the Bible taught in public schools:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/should-th...lic-education/

Jefferson wanted Bible in school?

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Old 11-17-2015, 11:21 AM
 
Location: minnesota
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If it prevents even just one person from committing sucide, how can you call it a waste? Yes, it's the 21st century and there are a lot of lost people out there who wouldn't have any motivation to actively go out and seek the Bible. If they stumble on it in a hotel room then there is a chance they will pick up the book and read it.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:37 AM
 
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I'd say a suicide prevention hotline number is probably more effective than a Bible, with far fewer negative side-effects.
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