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'Good' and 'evil' are man-made artificial constructs with values assigned based on the perceptions, goals, and motives of the assigner. Those values do not exist, except as men choose to assign and interpret them. The universe does not care one way or the other.
Then I saw the actual scene from Downfall, and through Bruno Ganz, I saw our shared humanity, and couldn't help feeling compassion for him. I don't condone what happened, for sure. But I find myself loving him.
The Downfall is a very good movie indeed, as it shows the humanity of those who are otherwise always portrayed as only "evil Nazis". If you are interested, watch also the film "Das Boot" ("The U-Boat"). It is the story of the adventures of German submariners during WW2, and it also portrays them as human beings rather than stereotypical bloodthirsty murderers.
I'm curious ... Why did you think Jesus was enduring pain on a cross if it wasn't because God was angry with sin and needed to punish someone for it?
Yes, God is angry with sin - but not with humans, otherwise he would not have sacrificed to save them. I imagine he was rather sad over that fact that even the people who desired to love him wholeheartedly, like I did at the time, still could not help doing things that he found offensive.
The Downfall is a very good movie indeed, as it shows the humanity of those who are otherwise always portrayed as only "evil Nazis". If you are interested, watch also the film "Das Boot" ("The U-Boat"). It is the story of the adventures of German submariners during WW2, and it also portrays them as human beings rather than stereotypical bloodthirsty murderers.
Downfall was amazing. I can't say enough good things about it. I haven't seen Dad Boot, I will defintely watch it. I really like submarine moves for some reason. Not sure how I missed that one. Thank you Norne! It's important to remember, even in uncertain times, that no matter where we stand on any issue, that we're all in this together.
I know that you're wrestling a whole lot to the ground right now. I feel the grief and loss in some of your posts. I hope you're doing ok.
Downfall was amazing. I can't say enough good things about it. I haven't seen Dad Boot, I will defintely watch it. I really like submarine moves for some reason. Not sure how I missed that one. Thank you Norne! It's important to remember, even in uncertain times, that no matter where we stand on any issue, that we're all in this together.
I know that you're wrestling a whole lot to the ground right now. I feel the grief and loss in some of your posts. I hope you're doing ok.
I am generally not a big fan of WWII movies, but I enjoy some of the German ones: they are not so black-and-white, heroes-and-villains. Their characters are usually more human, with some good and some evil mixed in their nature - just like in real life.
And I am doing OK, thanks. In a few months I believe you will not read my whining any more
Yes, God is angry with sin - but not with humans, otherwise he would not have sacrificed to save them. I imagine he was rather sad over that fact that even the people who desired to love him wholeheartedly, like I did at the time, still could not help doing things that he found offensive.
Okay, interesting take. Most Christians I know irl insist that God is angry with humanity because we are all sinners, and that God's holiness and/or justice demanded that people be punished for their sin -- and Jesus had to endure God's wrath being poured out on him in our place. When you were a Christian, were you taught to believe in eternal torment? If so, what was the reason you believed God would allow such a thing?
I am generally not a big fan of WWII movies, but I enjoy some of the German ones: they are not so black-and-white, heroes-and-villains. Their characters are usually more human, with some good and some evil mixed in their nature - just like in real life.
And I am doing OK, thanks. In a few months I believe you will not read my whining any more
I don't read you as whining. You're in pain and grief. I understand.
I'm not much into WWII movies, or war movies at all really. I love submarine movies though. I have no idea why lol. I got caught up playing a game called Silent Hunter 5: Battle of the Atlantic. You take command of a German sub in WWII. Oh my God that game is fun.
Okay, interesting take. Most Christians I know irl insist that God is angry with humanity because we are all sinners, and that God's holiness and/or justice demanded that people be punished for their sin -- and Jesus had to endure God's wrath being poured out on him in our place. When you were a Christian, were you taught to believe in eternal torment? If so, what was the reason you believed God would allow such a thing?
It also is frustrating to me, as a former Christian, that the Christians who are spreading this view of God, which I believe (from experience) is harmful and destructive have, in the very book they laud as their authority, the directive that their message to the world is supposed to be one of reconciliation: that God is NOT holding sin against anyone.
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