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Old 12-24-2015, 06:28 PM
 
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God IS NOT the beginning
The beginning was khaos and anarchy.

God IS the end-point toward which all life is being drawn.
As civilization drives out anarchy, all life is gradually being drawn into a single body with God as the head

Without God we are just millions of squabbling individuals.
With God organizing us we are one body.
Every member is valued and protected.
No member would be throw away anymore than a person would chop off and throw away their own hand.
God values each and every one of us

Anarchy is not freedom.
Freedom means giving up certain freedoms.
If everyone is to be free then no one is free to enslave.
If everyone is to be free to live in peace then no one is free to kill or steal.

War and peace:
And suddenly he saw vividly before him a long-forgotten, kindly old man who had given him geography lessons in Switzerland. "Wait a bit," said the old man, and showed Pierre a globe. This globe was alive—a vibrating ball without fixed dimensions. Its whole surface consisted of drops closely pressed together, and all these drops moved and changed places, sometimes several of them merging into one, sometimes one dividing into many. Each drop tried to spread out and occupy as much space as possible, but others striving to do the same compressed it, sometimes destroyed it, and sometimes merged with it.
"That is life," said the old teacher.
"How simple and clear it is," thought Pierre. "How is it I did not know it before?"
"God is in the middle, and each drop tries to expand so as to reflect Him to the greatest extent. And it grows, merges, disappears from the surface, sinks to the depths, and again emerges. There now, Karataev has spread out and disappeared. Do you understand, my child?" said the teacher

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Old 12-25-2015, 04:24 AM
 
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God did have a beginning which Creation was more active , as God created all the plants and animals of the earth , and did have full authority in the earth until he chose man to be His family , where God gave the earth to man , then the earth fell and creation on new life came to and end , as the earth is being destroyed , as God looks on .........Still with the authority of Jesus on the earth God will finish His plan , which is at the end of the time of the gentiles , God will claim the earth and remove the sin , so He will have dominion with victory as He planned
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Old 12-25-2015, 04:39 AM
 
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Anarchy is not freedom.
Freedom means giving up certain freedoms.
If everyone is to be free then no one is free to enslave.
If everyone is to be free to live in peace then no one is free to kill
You getting senile granpa.

Worse people than you have tried and failed to convince me that for the greater good we need to give up certain rights.

God's reign is not an actual reign. God is the beginning AND the end. And there is a reason there are so many worldviews. We are offered a choice what to believe, as long as our beliefs are authentic. This is why God's service is perfect freedom.

The point is not to disarm people in hopes they won't kill, or cut off hands in hopes they won't steal, or other members is hopes they won't rape. The point is that one day pain will only be around for the sadists and masochists, and the rest of us won't need to be hurt, because our bodies will be immortal.
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Old 12-25-2015, 05:58 AM
 
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So are you free to enslave?
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Old 12-25-2015, 06:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by granpa View Post
God IS NOT the beginning
The beginning was khaos and anarchy.

God IS the end-point toward which all life is being drawn.
As civilization drives out anarchy, all life is gradually being drawn into a single body with God as the head

Without God we are just millions of squabbling individuals.
With God organizing us we are one body.
Every member is valued and protected.
No member would be throw away anymore than a person would chop off and throw away their own hand.
God values each and every one of us

Anarchy is not freedom.
Freedom means giving up certain freedoms.
If everyone is to be free then no one is free to enslave.
If everyone is to be free to live in peace then no one is free to kill or steal.

War and peace:
And suddenly he saw vividly before him a long-forgotten, kindly old man who had given him geography lessons in Switzerland. "Wait a bit," said the old man, and showed Pierre a globe. This globe was alive—a vibrating ball without fixed dimensions. Its whole surface consisted of drops closely pressed together, and all these drops moved and changed places, sometimes several of them merging into one, sometimes one dividing into many. Each drop tried to spread out and occupy as much space as possible, but others striving to do the same compressed it, sometimes destroyed it, and sometimes merged with it.
"That is life," said the old teacher.
"How simple and clear it is," thought Pierre. "How is it I did not know it before?"
"God is in the middle, and each drop tries to expand so as to reflect Him to the greatest extent. And it grows, merges, disappears from the surface, sinks to the depths, and again emerges. There now, Karataev has spread out and disappeared. Do you understand, my child?" said the teacher
Freedom is like driving. Paint some lines and we all get to go where we want. "hollwood" thinks 'freak" is normal.
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Old 12-25-2015, 10:53 AM
 
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So are you free to enslave?
The slavery of this world is not what you think. When you enslave others the one who is bound is you. They only need overcome their fear of you and can get hired by anyone. You on the other hand, who enslaves others does so because they cannot do it themselves.

All harm in this world reflects upon you. When you realize this, you are free.
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Old 12-25-2015, 07:39 PM
 
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Is that a yes or no?
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