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Old 02-27-2016, 12:09 PM
 
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Nope. Omnimax deities do not 'need' anything.

...and even if he did 'need' then he, being omnimax, he would know that his method for us to 'learn' would fail miserably.
That's true...they don't need anything.
Without even existing the Deity concepts crush & trounce all other concepts in the Arena Of World Power And Influence. Especially Atheism...it's like a steamroller over a grape!!
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Old 02-27-2016, 12:10 PM
 
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That's a fail - not good enough! It just does not cut it! If God is so wonderful and all powerful and so on then he can just do things right from the start.
No He couldn't. He had to do it the way He did because it is the wisest most loving way to do it.
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The simple truth is this; God is a construct of man to explain the way things are.
Not really.
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And what was needed was a sick God!
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So man constructed a sick God.
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Or at least, the ancient Israelites created a sick God that suited their needs and to make themselves look good or justify their behavior at the time.
Not really.
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Old 02-27-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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God needed mankind to learn from the knowledge of good and evil....
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Nope. Omnimax deities do not 'need' anything.
Mankind needs to learn. God needs to teach them.

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...and even if he did 'need' then he, being omnimax, he would know that his method for us to 'learn' would fail miserably.
No, He knew it will succeed.

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It has always intrigued me how an omnimax deity 'wants' something....but doesn't get it!!
It has always intrigued me how people confuse the going with the goal.
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Old 02-27-2016, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Mankind needs to learn. God needs to teach them.
Not really.


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No, He knew it will succeed.
Not really
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Old 02-27-2016, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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No He couldn't. He had to do it the way He did because it is the wisest most loving way to do it.
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Mankind needs to learn. God needs to teach them.
If it was necessary for man to need to learn instead of simply being created with this knowledge then how did God get this wisdom? He had this wisdom before he created the earth and mankind? How could that have been possible? He would have needed to learn things too but he had no opportunity because he is God and has always existed as God?

Or did he always have that wisdom? In which case he would have created man with that same wisdom.

The tree of good and evil was supposed to give man all knowledge but it didn't. Don't forget they had pretty powerful mushrooms to help them see more clearly!

No, God did things the way he did because that is what his creators decided.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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No. If he is all-powerful, he can create mortals exactly the way he wants, without having to go through everything you mentioned. Allowing evil and not protecting innocents from evil is evil. And making everyone an automatic sinner, just by being born, is evil as well. That is not the behavior of a loving, benevolent creator.



You have 0 clue as to how things work with God.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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Well, here is a thought: Educate yourself by looking it up.

Or you could just read the post after yours. The point is, a lot of religious people exhibit the symptoms of it. God being the hostage taker, them being the hostage.



With my very own free will, I choose to be a slave for God--The God who is responsible for all good things in ones life. I am not a hostage.
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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You have 0 clue as to how things work with God.
LOL!
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Old 02-27-2016, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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No. If he is all-powerful, he can create mortals exactly the way he wants, without having to go through everything you mentioned. Allowing evil and not protecting innocents from evil is evil. And making everyone an automatic sinner, just by being born, is evil as well. That is not the behavior of a loving, benevolent creator.
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You have 0 clue as to how things work with God.
I don't know so much, kjw47.

I think CatTX and the rest of us Athies have a pretty good idea of how things work with God. In fact, I will go a step further and suggest we have a far better idea than you do.
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Old 02-27-2016, 07:29 PM
 
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You have 0 clue as to how things work with God.
Alrighty then!
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