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Did you ever read the bible?--only the wicked asked for proof. And God did not like it.
So no evidence then? What kind of question is did I ever read the bible? I told you I was raised in. You know it was all bible all the time. I was told I would never graduate high school in this system of things and I now have a daughter in college. Oopsie!
Wouldn't it be great if the Risen Christ was still with us today, letting people all around the world touch his wounds? Think of all the people who would come to faith.
Honestly? I think you'd find a reason to disbelieve even if Jesus were sitting on the throne in Jerusalem.
Honestly? I think you'd find a reason to disbelieve even if Jesus were sitting on the throne in Jerusalem.
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Or even his bathroom
You must not believe the Bible then.
The Bible says that Thomas didn't believe until he saw the risen Christ and touched his wounds. Then he believed. There's also the story of Paul's conversion after he encountered the Risen Christ on the road to Damascus. He is said to have persecuted Christians by putting them in jail. I'm not doing anything even close to that.
So according to the Bible, it's possible for a non-believer to convert after an encounter with the Risen Christ.
It appears that I have more faith in the those two parts of the Bible than you two guys. Amazing!
^ In my denomination it was actually said that God created hardship in order to bring people closer to him. Example: when my newborn cousin came down with spinal meningitis (late 1980s), my parents said that God allowed it to happen in order to bring my aunt and uncle closer to God.
In other words, suffering and hardship are good since it brings people closer to religion and God.
Granted, it's purely anecdotal. I don't know how common this kind of thinking is in fundamentalism. But it was widespread in my denomination.
Yes, and this puts me in mind of the Catholic attitude toward suffering, that it is ennobling and a privilege to share in the sufferings of Jesus in a sort of mystical union.
I personally didn't see this sort of thinking consistently in fundamentalism, it seemed like more of a fallback or rationalization in cases where one does not "have the victory".
Vizio, with all due respect, you don't have a CLUE what your talking about as far as universal healthcare.
As you know, I am Canadian. We have had universal healthcare since the 1960's. I pay no premiums, although some provinces do. Back when we did, it cost me $52/mth for the family plan. No deductibles. No maximums. No co-pays. No losing coverage for preexisting conditions
Dental and prescriptions are not covered.
I've spent months in hospital with a major issue some years ago. No one rationed me. I moved to my new area 3-4 years ago... it took me exactly 20 minutes to get a new doctor. I saw him the next week, and if it had been urgent, the next day. The specialists I have seen take no longer, and in the last case, less time than similar specialists in Florida that acquaintances of mine use.
What do you mean overpriced medicine? I take two prescriptions, both developed and coming from Europe from European owned companies. One of those costs THREE times in the US, and the other one FIVE times as much! FIVE times as much, using the same pharmacy, Walmart.
So quit spreading the false teachings that universal healthcare is more expensive, and gives you less choice. I can see ANY doctor I want, no HMO. Canada spends about 12% of GDP on healthcare, the US about 19%. Guess whose citizens live longer? Canada.
So just quit with you presupposition falsehoods on healthcare.
Why aren't you telling that to all the right wingers who think universal healthcare is just code for liberal death camps??? Help us out over here!!!
Yes, and this puts me in mind of the Catholic attitude toward suffering, that it is ennobling and a privilege to share in the sufferings of Jesus in a sort of mystical union.
I personally didn't see this sort of thinking consistently in fundamentalism, it seemed like more of a fallback or rationalization in cases where one does not "have the victory".
Oddly, to some I guess, although raised in an ultra-conservative Catholic family in the ultra-conservative 50s and early 60s, I was never taught that suffering was particularly ennobling.
Although, to be fair, my focus at that time was on gaining indulgences which provided one with Get Out Of Hell Free cards.
I knew fairly early on I'd best amass a few of those before my time on the planet was done.
Oddly, to some I guess, although raised in an ultra-conservative Catholic family in the ultra-conservative 50s and early 60s, I was never taught that suffering was particularly ennobling.
Although, to be fair, my focus at that time was on gaining indulgences which provided one with Get Out Of Hell Free cards.
I knew fairly early on I'd best amass a few of those before my time on the planet was done.
Interesting. Sounds like you grew up in a religious environment similar to mine. Except that my religion derided those indulgences in favor of Jesus himself as the ultimate get-out-of-hell-free-card.
The sad thing is that they will probably manage to attract a good number of desperate, hurting, lonely, anxious, or depressed people to their movement. They are essentially preying on the suffering.
Well those money collectors at Hall serve as a good punishment against those who didn't even pay any mind to those poor suffering and/or deluded neighbors. You let your society fall from your between your fingers and crumb by crumb they take it over like people desperate to believe in immortality, people desperate to disbelieve in natural and final death.
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