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Old 03-20-2016, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Nanaimo, Canada
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Because we as a society provide those businesses with roads, water, electricity, a police and court system to protect them, money to use for transactions, and all sort of things. In return, we ask that they provide a safe workplace, pay taxes, and provide service equally. It's a reasonably fair trade. If a business owner can't live up to their end of that deal, they're free to move to somewhere without such a social contract. Somalia is a common example.
Random Irrelevant Fact:

When neighboring countries started taking advantage of Somalia's political instability to dump waste and illegally fish in coastal waters, Somali pirates began acting as a makeshift 'coast guard', capturing or driving off unlawful fishing vessels and ships that were caught dumping.

 
Old 03-20-2016, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Nanaimo, Canada
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And you have never been discriminated against when it comes to marriage because you're gay. No one has.

You've always been able to marry. You just want to do it your way, which the rest of the populace doesn't want.
No, Vizio, gay people have not always been able to marry. As a legal institution, the right to marry and share property was defined (until recently) as 'one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others'.

Until the SCOTUS ruling, the US government did not recognize any other definition, which means that gays and lesbians had no legal ability to marry, and were not legally entitled to spousal rights, such as hospital visitation, death benefits, Social Security, and applicability for other Federal benefits and programs that heterosexual couples were already being afforded.

It amazes me that you still assume that the Constitution is something that only applies to a select few. It doesn't. It applies to all citizens of the United States.
 
Old 03-20-2016, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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"Discrimnating against LGBT leads to---"...

...an environment where things like this occur.

EXCLUSIVE: Man pours boiling water on gay Atlanta couple in bed | WSB-TV

Meanwhile, what's the most pressing legislative issue in Georgia right now? Passing a law so businesses can discriminate against LGBT folks without consequences.

Now, the usual suspects will be quick to proclaim that they don't support physical violence - just discrimination, marginalization, condemnation, and promoting the idea that gays are going to hell. But the fact is that when you dehumanize people by enabling discrimination against them, by subjecting them to the sort of hateful rhetoric only too familiar to LGBT individuals, by constantly denigrating them, then you are influencing the rest of society. You are telling the masses that LGBT individuals have no real worth. That they don't deserve protection. Acts like the heinous attack described above are the inevitable consequence.

You can't have it both ways.
 
Old 03-20-2016, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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No, Vizio, gay people have not always been able to marry. As a legal institution, the right to marry and share property was defined (until recently) as 'one man and one woman, to the exclusion of all others'.

Until the SCOTUS ruling, the US government did not recognize any other definition, which means that gays and lesbians had no legal ability to marry, and were not legally entitled to spousal rights, such as hospital visitation, death benefits, Social Security, and applicability for other Federal benefits and programs that heterosexual couples were already being afforded.

It amazes me that you still assume that the Constitution is something that only applies to a select few. It doesn't. It applies to all citizens of the United States.
Nice try, but Vizio means that gays have always had the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. You will never see him conceding that the right to marry the person with whom you agree to share your life tegardless of sex should be granted or is reasonable. I'm pretty sure that's not about empathy.
 
Old 03-20-2016, 09:04 AM
 
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He predestined me to be a Christian.
Did it predestine me to be a nonbeliever?
 
Old 03-20-2016, 09:30 AM
 
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to op.

yeah, and smoking pot must lead to alcoholism and drug addiction.
 
Old 03-20-2016, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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to op.

yeah, and smoking pot must lead to alcoholism and drug addiction.
What?
 
Old 03-20-2016, 10:17 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Now, the usual suspects will be quick to proclaim that they don't support physical violence - just discrimination, marginalization, condemnation, and promoting the idea that gays are going to hell. But the fact is that when you dehumanize people by enabling discrimination against them, by subjecting them to the sort of hateful rhetoric only too familiar to LGBT individuals, by constantly denigrating them, then you are influencing the rest of society. You are telling the masses that LGBT individuals have no real worth. That they don't deserve protection. Acts like the heinous attack described above are the inevitable consequence.

You can't have it both ways.
Here's the sad thing. Many fundamentalists will never admit this publicly but most of them are okay with the idea of making homosexuality a capital crime. Growing up, I remember frightening conversations at church pot-luck socials about how the government should ship off all the qu--rs to the gas chambers. I remember hearing sermons growing up on how AIDS was the judgment of God and a good thing.

They go onto condemn the LGBT community for the high rate of suicide in the community, but when you have to go through life being treated like garbage and humiliated just because of who you love and be told continually that your existence is the one thing that makes God so angry he will wipe an entire nation off the face of the planet, it takes a toll on you after a while.
 
Old 03-20-2016, 11:36 AM
 
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Nice try, but Vizio means that gays have always had the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. You will never see him conceding that the right to marry the person with whom you agree to share your life tegardless of sex should be granted or is reasonable. I'm pretty sure that's not about empathy.
You're right. Marrying for love is not a human right, and it has never been considered a right in this country -- until just recently when the SCOTUS created that right. I never had that right, nor did anyone else.
 
Old 03-20-2016, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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You're right. Marrying for love is not a human right, and it has never been considered a right in this country -- until just recently when the SCOTUS created that right. I never had that right, nor did anyone else.
Blah, blah, blah.

Sore loser.
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