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God sees in the hearts of men. Why would He bother wasting His time trying to convince those who have sin and hatred for Him in their hearts? People are so blinded by the deceptions of Satan that even when Christ came to earth and performed amazing miracles, people still did not believe. Unless you truly want to seek after God with all your heart, I am quite confident that there will never be any kind of evidence that satisfy you.
To continue further with this, as I was busy before , if God can see into each persons heart and decide whether or not they would believe in it, why bother with evangelism? Why spend billions begged for from pew sitters and risk missionary lives if God already knows who will believe in it ?
God sees in the hearts of men. Why would He bother wasting His time trying to convince those who have sin and hatred for Him in their hearts? People are so blinded by the deceptions of Satan that even when Christ came to earth and performed amazing miracles, people still did not believe. Unless you truly want to seek after God with all your heart, I am quite confident that there will never be any kind of evidence that satisfy you.
So you're saying god gave it an honest shot for a few hundred years, then realized it was going to be harder than he thought, and gave up on it? Is that it?
Reason I ask is, cuz a couple thousand years ago god was apparently everywhere - he was speaking through someone, or his voice was booming down from the sky, or he was handing down stone tablets every 2 or 3 weeks. God was popping up like Richard Simmons everywhere you looked; you couldn't walk out your front door without tripping over him. For centuries, god was practically doing cartwheels down the middle of the freeway to make sure nobody could fail to notice him.
And now... where's he been? For the last 2000 years? He just disappeared because he decided there was no point to it?
What kind of a god is that?
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And what is your measuring stick for what qualifies as "affirmative evidence"? Only things you experience with your physical senses? The physical senses can be manipulated and deceived you know like those pictures that you stare at and then the image appears to be moving.
Yes, our physical senses are not 100% reliable. But we do know what a lot of our perception biases are and how to account for that.
I think both of us should agree that our physical senses are largely, if not perfectly, reliable. Whether our senses evolved through natural selection or were designed by a beneficent creator, they logically should be pretty reliable guides to the world around us.
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Kinda like believing humans originated from inorganic goop.
There you go, throwing in the kitchen sink, when no one needs it. Focus!
They already proved they exist. Had you lived during Moses' day and tagged along with Moses, you would have no doubt God exists. Had you lived in Christ's day and tagged along with Christ, witnessed His death, burial and resurrection, you would not doubt they exist.
Christ is returning. If you doubt now, you won't when He returns.
Did God only exist in Moses' times then that we needed to have been there to be convinced?
Or Christs execution?
If Christ returns soon, who would even know?
We haven't even determined if he was even born the first time. Was it when Herod was still alive before 4 BC or when Quirinius was governor and held his census in 6 AD? Or was he born on both dates, meaning he has already had his second coming?
And while I'm mentioning the census, why would Joseph and the very pregnant Mary travel from Galilee where they lived, to go to Bethlehem in Judea where the census was being held? There was no census in Galilee! There was census in Judea and Samaria only, which had been placed under direct Roman rule. Galilee and other areas remained autonomous.
Of course it is evidence. It is historic evidence.
OK, I've already covered the dual birth dates of Jesus and the lack of logical reason for Joseph and Mary being in Bethlehem when they lived in Galilee. We know that neither Herod the Great (who was dead) or his son, Herod Archelaus (who had been removed from office by the Romans) were in power at the time of the 6 AD census. Yes, the 6 AD census is a historical fact!
Pontius Pilate did indeed exist and was indeed governor of Judea from CE26 to CE36. That is a historical fact.
The book Tale of Two Cities is set in London and Paris, two cities which incidentally, do actually exist, and mentions life during and after the French Revolution. Yet the book is a fabrication, a novel. It's about as historical as the bible.
Because we'd read about someone being crucified. Only this time, it would be by the christians.
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We haven't even determined if he was even born the first time.
Seems more and more unlikely that he ever even did exist in the first place - at least, not as one man. The more I read, the more I suspect the Jesus Christ of the bible was a combination of several men of his age, and some legends and myths passed down over the decades and centuries. Folk tales in the area and the time in which he supposedly lived were told and retold, and a hundred or couple of hundred years after his era, were adopted and crystalized as "factual" historical records of one man, and became parts of the story of Jesus Christ.
From what I've studied, I consider it increasingly unlikely that most of the events attributed to Jesus ever really happened, and most of his supposed teachings were the collected wisdom of several rabbis or other teachers of the era, all bundled together and attributed to Christ.
Silly heathen, of course there is EVIDENCE--it is called the bible....
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WOW I forgot about the not so good book!
Of course we all KNOW that the bible is true, because the bible says it is true. Look no further for the truth we seek, it has been given to us via scribes who lived hundreds of years after the fact and were able to channel entire conversations..
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) people like Eusebius, Jeff and Vizio would be throwing stones through his windows.
