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Old 06-12-2016, 03:37 PM
 
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Kind is not a set level. It's where ever you need it to be and can be completely arbitrary. A distinction of convenience.
How so?
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Old 06-12-2016, 04:04 PM
 
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How so?
That was explained to you. Ring species can produce variants of a common ancestor that can come to look different and cannot interbreed ( I remind you that Kent Hovind at least has accepted this as a fact). Then they are given a different species name or perhaps sub -species name. This is nothing to do with interbreeding and hybrids as you Creation article argued. Thus the Biblical "Kinds" as the article says can roughly correspond with species, but it doesn't work very well. It is nothing to do with evolution.

Yep, Ci accepts it. Others dicker with it but it seems that it is something that Creationists do accept happens. They argue that they are still the same "Kind" but ignore the examples where they don't fit that criterion.
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Old 06-12-2016, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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I don't know.



Gorillas cannot breed offspring with humans therefore Gorillas are a different "kind" than the human "kind."

Apes and chimps are two different kinds because and Ape cannot make offspring with Chimps.
There's no such thing as an ape 'kind'. Humans are one 'kind' of ape. Chimps are another 'kind' of ape.

We should stop playing their game and stop using the term 'kind'.
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Old 06-12-2016, 04:46 PM
 
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Evolution Evidence for Dummies

This is so basic that a child would get it. Euse a full grown man can't even grasp it.
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Old 06-12-2016, 05:31 PM
 
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There's no such thing as an ape 'kind'. Humans are one 'kind' of ape. Chimps are another 'kind' of ape.

We should stop playing their game and stop using the term 'kind'.
No, a "kind" in the Bible is described as that which can breed and create offspring with its own kind.

If humans were of the ape kind, the human and ape would be able to breed an offspring.

Trees in Genesis can only reproduce with trees of its own kind. An apple tree kind cannot be bred with an olive tree kind and produce fruit.

You need to play the game correctly or you are disqualified.
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Old 06-12-2016, 05:32 PM
 
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Evolution Evidence for Dummies

This is so basic that a child would get it. Euse a full grown man can't even grasp it.
Yep, it is for dummies. I'm no dummy. That's why evolution isn't for me. You fall into the dummy category.
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Old 06-12-2016, 06:16 PM
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No, a "kind" in the Bible is described as that which can breed and create offspring with its own kind.

If humans were of the ape kind, the human and ape would be able to breed an offspring.
Again, then how do you explain speciation under this definition?

Let me guess you will always move the 'kind' goal posts to avoid being shown wrong. Your definition fits what is known as a biological species and we have observed speciation.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:06 PM
 
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Again, then how do you explain speciation under this definition?

Let me guess you will always move the 'kind' goal posts to avoid being shown wrong. Your definition fits what is known as a biological species and we have observed speciation.
The Bible is concerned with "kinds" created by God.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:14 PM
 
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Yep, it is for dummies. I'm no dummy. That's why evolution isn't for me. You fall into the dummy category.
What am I a dummy about?

That link is for Evolutionary illiterate folks...that being you of course.

It's a brief summary of the evidence that supports the theory of evolution by natural selection.

A person who can handle evidence is a person who can't handle reality and thus lives in a world of delusion.

The awesome thing about Science is that it's true, whether you believe in it or not.
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Old 06-12-2016, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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The word 'kind' is used in the story of creation because it was intended for young kids just like Alice in Wonderland and any other child's story. One wouldn't use big words like species and phylum in a kids story book.

Getting past that, of course humans can mate with an ape and produce offspring. Just as long as the other ape is a human.
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