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Old 04-04-2016, 02:22 PM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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Mordantsplaining? That's a new one.
I know. It fit.
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Old 04-04-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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No, you are imaginative and creative. You aren't stupid unless you claim that this is anything other than your own thinking / preference / imagination or that you have testable evidence or logical argument in its favor simply because you assert it (or perhaps because others agree with you and make similar assertions, or because these assertions are ancient, etc. etc.).

You aren't maximally stupid unless you claim the right to decry others as idiotic / wrong / evil / devious for not imagining what you imagine, despite not being able to substantiate your claim as anything other than what it pleases you to believe is true.


One thing I have learned about being a know it all...is that no one has ALL the information to make a claim on what is perfectly true or not. No one has the claim on total reality or truth because no one will have all the information. I do not call atheists evil....I might call them arrogant or ignorant - because in my mind all is possible.
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Old 04-04-2016, 02:40 PM
 
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I know. It fit.
Can you please define "mordantsplaining?"
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Old 04-04-2016, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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One thing I have learned about being a know it all...is that no one has ALL the information to make a claim on what is perfectly true or not. No one has the claim on total reality or truth because no one will have all the information. I do not call atheists evil....I might call them arrogant or ignorant - because in my mind all is possible.
For us all is possible too. Most of us don't make the knowledge claim that there is no god or that gods aren't possible. And I suspect we would all agree that there is no such thing as 100% objective certainty in any given matter.

The debate between us isn't about that though. It's about what constitutes a reasonable probability to assign to things like gods generally, your god specifically, or the odds that established and proven science, where it disagrees with a holy book, is apt to be wrong. And that begs the question: what is the best way to estimate probabilities? Should it be based on quasi disciplines like theology, failed epistemologies like faith, or on methodologies with a proven track record such as the scientific method and the branches of philosophy such as mathematics and logic that support it?

So now that I have explained to you that atheists generally embrace, as you claim to, that all knowledge is somewhat subjective and uncertain ... that it is not a matter of certainty but of probability ... and that we need to agree on a methodology that assigns fairly accurate probabilities to things based on proven methodologies that control for confirmation bias ... are you just going to fall back on spouting your beliefs and claiming I'm arrogant because I don't accept them? Or are you willing to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, there is some validity to the methodology that causes the computer you're reading this on and the network it's connected to, to do its job?
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Old 04-04-2016, 02:43 PM
 
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One thing I have learned about being a know it all...is that no one has ALL the information to make a claim on what is perfectly true or not. No one has the claim on total reality or truth because no one will have all the information. I do not call atheists evil....I might call them arrogant or ignorant - because in my mind all is possible.
It's true that anything is possible. It's possible that Giant Space Crabs will murder you in your sleep tonight.
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Old 04-04-2016, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Can you please define "mordantsplaining?"
He is just riffing on the portmanteau "mansplaining" which is when a man explains something condescendingly to a woman. It's just a way of asking me if I've quit beating my wife.
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Old 04-04-2016, 02:44 PM
 
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Can you please define "mordantsplaining?"
as a reader, my layman's take on it is "don't put words in my mouth"
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Old 04-04-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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We will raise people out of poverty, provide health care for all, and otherwise make the world a better place and when your head is done exploding you will notice that the sky will not have fallen and, in fact, there are aspects of your life that are better. And guess what? You will still be able to worship god any old way that you please. You will just not be able to marginalize and demonize people who don't worship the way that you please, or who don't worship at all.
If this is an example of mordantsplaining.... I'm a fan.
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Old 04-04-2016, 04:18 PM
 
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How about mordstruating? Nothing but love for ya brother. I know you can handle it.
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Old 04-04-2016, 04:32 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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But that is the point: The accusation is consistently directed against religious reactionaries but the behavior is practiced by atheists as well. It is anti-moderation itself that typifies the problem.

Do you realize that on a thread the use of the analytical mind between theist and non theist you quoted a non theist? I was actually trying to explain to TZ she was making a cognitive error in attributing this trait to atheists and not humanity in general. She kinda sorta agreed with me but then added this : I decline to use the phrase "human behavior" because that phrase implies it is behavior that is universal and shared by all humans. In this case, insulting others and belittling others and ridiculing others is by no means universal or desirable behavior.

Does that sound analytical to you? Can a person decide they don't like a certain behavior and change the definition of human and/or behavior to suit themselves and project it away on other people? I guess so. If you are going to use the argument that it is non theists leveling it against people CONSISTENTLY I think it would be to your advantage to choose an instance where a non theist is doing it and not one trying to talk a theist off the ledge.


PS you are doing the same thing.
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