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Old 04-03-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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We all, or should, know the basic premises of the conflicting details outlined in the gospels of how Jesus got arrested, had a trial, got hammered, oopps, crucified, died, poofed alive, and then flew up to heaven.

Now according to the NT stories, Jesus last supper was a Passover meal. Move forward a couple of hundred years after the myth was started, and a bunch of bishops decide to make this a movable feast, oops, date, tied in to pagan moon thoughts.

Ooops is right.

Move forward to the year 2016. Guess what? Passover happens weeks after Easter. Yes, we know why, because of the differences between Jewish and now the secular calendar, but that is not the point.

Why is Christ risen before he dies?

The only answer is that the whole thing is a made up myth... by man. No god needed.
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Old 04-03-2016, 02:23 PM
 
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In not sure how men deciding on what dates to celebrate Easter would affect the truthfulness of the story or not, but at any rate original Christianity never celebrated Easter before Passover, and the Eastern Orthodox maintain this tradition. Easter must follow the Passover . Always .

The Catholics changed the way western Christianity determines the dates of Easter, but eastern Christianity did not follow along .Passover this year ends April 30. Eastern Orthodox Easter is May 1.


On anything you want to know about what ORIGINAL Christianity taught and believed, don't depend upon the Catholics nor the Protestants who came out of the Catholics . They changed a lot , including the meaning and mission of Christ . Look to what the Eastern Orthodox teach . In MOST cases it will be closer to the truth , with a few exceptions . The early church , for example, seems to have taught universal salvation, and while the EO does not firmly teach this as doctrine , they allow their members to hold the belief that God will indeed save all humans without being in violation of church doctrine .
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:18 PM
 
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We all, or should, know the basic premises of the conflicting details outlined in the gospels of how Jesus got arrested, had a trial, got hammered, oopps, crucified, died, poofed alive, and then flew up to heaven.
Now according to the NT stories, Jesus last supper was a Passover meal. Move forward a couple of hundred years after the myth was started, and a bunch of bishops decide to make this a movable feast, oops, date, tied in to pagan moon thoughts.
Ooops is right.
Move forward to the year 2016. Guess what? Passover happens weeks after Easter. Yes, we know why, because of the differences between Jewish and now the secular calendar, but that is not the point.
Why is Christ risen before he dies?
The only answer is that the whole thing is a made up myth... by man. No god needed.
Ooops! Please remember the counting of time for the day of Jesus' death ( Nisan 14 ) is counted by the Lunar Calendar as it was in Jesus' day when the moon is full ( Not in this country ) but starting time from Jerusalem.
That is why this 2016 there is a difference in the dates. March 23rd of the year was the correct scriptural counting date.
- Luke 22:19
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:56 PM
 
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Ooops! Please remember the counting of time for the day of Jesus' death ( Nisan 14 ) is counted by the Lunar Calendar as it was in Jesus' day when the moon is full ( Not in this country ) but starting time from Jerusalem.
That is why this 2016 there is a difference in the dates. March 23rd of the year was the correct scriptural counting date.
- Luke 22:19
the difference arises from a leap year which adjusts the lunar calendar to be in accord with the solar seasons.
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Old 04-03-2016, 10:36 PM
 
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Passover is linked to the full moon as is Easter.

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The Western church does not use the actual, or astronomically correct date for the vernal equinox, but a fixed date (March 21). And by full moon it does not mean the astronomical full moon but the "ecclesiastical moon," which is based on tables created by the church.
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Unlike the Western Church, the Eastern Church sets the date of Easter according to the actual, astronomical full moon and the actual equinox as observed along the meridian of Jerusalem, site of the Crucifixion and Resurrection.
Passover and Easter―A Quick Guide to Understanding Dates
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Old 04-03-2016, 11:42 PM
 
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Passover is linked to the full moon as is Easter.





Passover and Easter―A Quick Guide to Understanding Dates
All of which substantiates how man made these religious holidays are. Surprised?
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:10 AM
 
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All of which substantiates how man made these religious holidays are. Surprised?
Oh yes of course. I didn't mean to redirect, I just like looking at thing objectively.
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Old 04-04-2016, 05:30 AM
 
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I still don't see how this affects the legitimacy or not of Easter .

George Washington was born on 2/11 under the calendar in use at his birth. When the Gregorian calendar became official he moved it to 2/22 . We celebrated his birthday as an official holiday on 2/16 in 2015 , on 2/15 this year , and it will no doubt be a different day in 2017.

Does this mean he didn't really exist , or that he wasn't really the Father of our country or its 1st POTUS ?
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Old 04-05-2016, 03:49 AM
 
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I get it that calendars have changed and festivals gotten mixed up, but I don't follow that in itself showing that the resurrection accounts are false. No more that Christmas being on a dubious date means that the Nativities never happened. It's true that Jesus appeared to be eating the Passover the day before it was eaten, but that's easily explained.
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Old 04-06-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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What in the world does Easter have to do with Passover?


Everyone already knows that the church Christianized ancient Pagan feasts when they rejected Judaism. You couldn't have an unregistered, unlawful religion in Rome. Christianity was a sect of Judaism for 100 years until the great synagogue was burned and it was blamed on the Christians who attended that synagogue. Rome was obviously in desperate need to divide the gentiles becoming Christian from the Jews of Judaism.


Why?


Because more and more Romans were becoming Christians and more and more of them began making pilgrimages to Jerusalem and if it continued, the law would soon go forth from Jerusalem and all people would see Jerusalem as their Holy place and it would no longer be Rome.


Herod was not a Jew in my opinion but the Samaritans were taught Easter and Easter began in Babylon with it's own Holy Easter gate.


Constantine made a law against keeping Passover and he instituted Easter by law because Rome did not want anyone keeping the feasts of the Jews because they hated Jews. There had been a 7 year war and a very high Jewish tax came after that war. If you were a gentile believer and you were caught keeping feasts of Jesus, then YOU had to pay the steep tax and it was not cool to be seen as a Jew after a terrible war against Rome.


Hardrian came and he hated Jews, he made a deal with the Greek Orthodox for them to accept the Saturnalia and to Christianize it and he would exile the Jews from Jerusalem and take their synagogues.


Gentile believers also attended those synagogues and if they were keeping the feasts of Jesus, they were also persecuted, but now they were persecuted and tortured and killed by Christians.


Christian against Christian.


Easter and Christmas have been used as vehicles to kill anyone who kept Passover and Sukkot.






There is no debate about Jesus and Easter.


The feast of Christ is on Passover and we don't look for fertility, we look for sin in our lives.


Concerning Christ, Easter is neither here nor there.
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