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Old 04-10-2016, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Once a fundie gets an idea, they can't let go, no matter how delusional is.
A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses; it is an idea that possesses the mind. ---- Robert Oxton Bolton
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Old 04-10-2016, 01:48 PM
 
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A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses; it is an idea that possesses the mind. ---- Robert Oxton Bolton
so atheists are possessed then?
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Old 04-10-2016, 01:54 PM
 
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so atheists are possessed then?
Read the quote again. Slowly. So. It. Sinks. In.
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Old 04-10-2016, 02:39 PM
 
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so atheists are possessed then?
No, when an idea possesses the mind it is often the birth of delusion and cannot be changed...This is most often seen in religion and conspiracy theories....

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.......Unknown
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Old 04-10-2016, 02:46 PM
 
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Interesting, and somewhat thought provoking short article in Huff Post.

On Religion
In the article you linked to Dana Agmon or is it Dana Sekhmet? wrote:

God isn’t going to solve our problems. We are the only ones responsible for our behavior. We as individuals first and foremost, and those who tell you that one person cannot make a difference are exactly wrong. It is an individual work that requires all of us to practice it to gain the powerful result of peace.


And just how does Dana know God isn't going to solve our problems? Who made her the final say-so on that? What is her proof? Dana doesn't want us to believe God that He is in charge. Yet she wants us to believe her.

And how did Dana come to understand the latter two sentences? She has no proof we are the only ones responsible. The Bible doesn't say humanity is responsible for their behavior. It just says all will give an account (account = logos [word] in Greek) and such a word does not address responsibility.

If there is ever peace on this earth, it will only come about by God bringing it about by causing humans to get along.

Dan_4:35 All abiding on the earth are reckoned as naught:According to His will is He doing in the army of the heavens and with those abiding on the earth. And no one will actually clap with his hands and say to Him, "What doest Thou?

I think I will believe God's word over that of a fallible human such as Dana.
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Old 04-10-2016, 02:49 PM
 
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Let me rephrase to show you the problem...

Atheism = lack of belief in a god.

So, "Is the lack of belief in a god a thought or a knowledge?"

And the answer is, neither! There is no claim to either believe there is no god or to know there is no god, there is simply a lack of both regard the positive existence of god. I don't think there is a god, I don't know there is a god, I don't believe there is a god.

The reason you can't get a "straight" answer is that it is a dishonest question.
-NoCapo
No.
Let's look at this way.

Our death is a common denomator. Both a believer and the atheist cannot deny it. Both know that they WILL die on day. (Unless you now bring a new twist to the tail that Atheist lack the belief in death too)

Now, A believer believes that because God exists, after my death I will meet God.

Lack of this believe means, an Atheist BELIEVES that since God does not exist, I am not going to face God.
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Old 04-10-2016, 03:15 PM
 
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No.
Let's look at this way.

Our death is a common denomator. Both a believer and the atheist cannot deny it. Both know that they WILL die on day. (Unless you now bring a new twist to the tail that Atheist lack the belief in death too)

Now, A believer believes that because God exists, after my death I will meet God.

Lack of this believe means, an Atheist BELIEVES that since God does not exist, I am not going to face God.
Is all atheist means is that a person doesn't see evidence for a deity.


What seems most reasonable to me now is that when we die our energy is broken down and recycled just like our physical bodies. I don't have any solid evidence for that so it is likely to change as time goes on. So saying I do or don't believe about God is not the same way as you say you believe there is a God. You are coming from a knowledge position where I am not.
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Old 04-10-2016, 03:43 PM
 
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No.
Let's look at this way.

Our death is a common denomator. Both a believer and the atheist cannot deny it. Both know that they WILL die on day. (Unless you now bring a new twist to the tail that Atheist lack the belief in death too)

Now, A believer believes that because God exists, after my death I will meet God.

Lack of this believe means, an Atheist BELIEVES that since God does not exist, I am not going to face God.
Again, this is simply wrong. I don't have to have a positive belief here either. If I lack a belief in God, I will of course lack a belief that it will judge me... You are trying to sneak the assertion, or positive belief that God does not exist in the back door. Why the dishonesty, the attempt to make me say what I have already rejected?

I still have not taken a faith or belief position, so the question of gnosis ( thought or knowledge) doesn't even enter the picture.
It is amazing to me how hard believers fight to portray every one as a believer. You guys work so hard to deny the possibility of unbelief. Why?

-NoCapo
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Old 04-10-2016, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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There is a basic difference between atheists and theists....An atheist accepts that he is mortal and death will end his existence , but a theist because of fear, or other reasons will not accept his/her mortality.

Gods were all invented because people feared the unknown and death.
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Old 04-10-2016, 04:42 PM
 
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In the article you linked to Dana Agmon or is it Dana Sekhmet? wrote:

God isn’t going to solve our problems. We are the only ones responsible for our behavior. We as individuals first and foremost, and those who tell you that one person cannot make a difference are exactly wrong. It is an individual work that requires all of us to practice it to gain the powerful result of peace.


And just how does Dana know God isn't going to solve our problems? Who made her the final say-so on that? What is her proof? Dana doesn't want us to believe God that He is in charge. Yet she wants us to believe her.

And how did Dana come to understand the latter two sentences? She has no proof we are the only ones responsible. The Bible doesn't say humanity is responsible for their behavior. It just says all will give an account (account = logos [word] in Greek) and such a word does not address responsibility.

If there is ever peace on this earth, it will only come about by God bringing it about by causing humans to get along.

Dan_4:35 All abiding on the earth are reckoned as naught:According to His will is He doing in the army of the heavens and with those abiding on the earth. And no one will actually clap with his hands and say to Him, "What doest Thou?

I think I will believe God's word over that of a fallible human such as Dana.
Sorry, just because we don't know something about our universe, does not mean you get to pull the god of the gaps card. Goddunnit is not a theory, and not even a plausible hypothesize.
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