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The answer is yes you are putting yourself in harm's way. I have no interest in your beliefs or your theology. And I will not participate in this thread further. But what you are doing is very dangerous. Please use a different example. We like you and want you to continue to be here with us.
Has the probability of God making it happen increased?
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Originally Posted by Vizio
I have said that God will not have his arm twisted and be forced to do anything. Yet, he tells us to pray, and we know that God has answered prayers. I'm speculating here, Freak--I told you that I honestly don't know exactly how it all works out.
Prayer sounds more like begging than demanding (i.e. twisting his arm or forcing him to do something). So I'm not suggesting that prayer is forcing the Christian God to do something.
You believe that there is a chance that God will grant a prayer request. So logically you must believe that I am more likely to be involved in a fatal car accident than I was before I prayed. No?
Or does the Christian God (hopefully, for my sake) ignore the prayers of atheists?
Prayer sounds more like begging than demanding (i.e. twisting his arm or forcing him to do something). So I'm not suggesting that prayer is forcing the Christian God to do something.
You believe that there is a chance that God will grant a prayer request. So logically you must believe that I am more likely to be involved in a fatal car accident than I was before I prayed. No?
Or does the Christian God (hopefully, for my sake) ignore the prayers of atheists?
Actually...now, there's a good point. I should have pointed that out from the start. The Bible says that all non-Christians are at odds with God. He doesn't listen to your prayers. I'm sorry...but he just doesn't. That's why we need a mediator -- Jesus. Without Jesus he wouldn't listen to my prayers, either.
The answer is yes you are putting yourself in harm's way. I have no interest in your beliefs or your theology. And I will not participate in this thread further. But what you are doing is very dangerous. Please use a different example. We like you and want you to continue to be here with us.
This thread is simply an example of the foolishness and arrogance of youth. It is part of the invincibility syndrome coupled with absolute conviction that his beliefs about the non-existence of God and irrelevance of prayer are correct. Only young fools can be so certain. I've been there done that.
Please kill me in a fiery car wreck on the way home from work this evening.
In Jesus's name I pray,
Amen.
Has my risk of a car accident increased because of my prayer?
Why not put feet on your prayer? Maybe drive 140 miles per hour and run your car head on into a semi truck. You won't because you know deep down inside that God loves you and desires the best for you.
Now then, if I pray that God will save all the atheists and former Christians, I know He will. Paul the apostle requested we pray for all mankind because God will have all mankind to be saved. Therefore, since I am praying in accord with God's will, I know it will come to pass.
The answer is yes you are putting yourself in harm's way. I have no interest in your beliefs or your theology. And I will not participate in this thread further. But what you are doing is very dangerous. Please use a different example. We like you and want you to continue to be here with us.
My insurance company disagrees. They don't take prayers to the Christian God (or any other god) into account when determining accident probabilities. They say I am no more likely to be involved in an accident than before I prayed.
It is possible that I will, in fact, be killed on the way home from work tonight. And if (by small chance) it happened, many of the superstitious people on this forum would no-doubt see it as divine smiting. All of the other data points would be ignored: the amputees who are never healed, all of the times that prayers are not answered, etc. Prayer works by the tendency to ignore data/results that do not support one's existing beliefs. That's called Confirmation Bias. And we never get to hear the stories of people who prayed in a desperate situation and did NOT survive. That's called the Survivorship Bias.
If I do die in a car wreck tonight, word would get out on how God is REAL, how he can hear our thoughts, read our minds, and can punish us at any time. See how religion works? It's based on superstition. And it naturally leads to fear. It would be perfectly rational to live one's life in fear if there really is an Invisible Man watching our every move, reading our thoughts, with the ability to punish us at any time in any way. And of course, humans have learned how to use this fear to gain power, money, and control.
Why not put feet on your prayer? Maybe drive 140 miles per hour and run your car head on into a semi truck. You won't because you know deep down inside that God loves you and desires the best for you.
Actually I suspect he doesn't do it because he is confident god would not intervene. Because the non-interventionist god is indistinguishable from the god the god that doesn't exist.
The better test is for anti-science believers to jump off buildings while praying for god to catch them while violating gravity.
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