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Old 04-28-2016, 03:48 AM
 
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I don't know, but being rich is not antithesis to being a Christian. Abraham was rich and God considered him a friend.
Samson basically did a suicide bombing and God considered him a friend.
Lot was a drunkard and incestuous and God considered him a friend.
David was a polygamist and God considered him a friend.
Moses was a witch (magic tricks) and seditionist and God considered him a friend.

The list does go on. I mean really, what CAN'T a religious person use faith to excuse themselves on?
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Old 04-28-2016, 03:50 AM
 
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You deserve special exemptions from the Civil Law because you are monotheists?

Terrorists and other self-deceivers can think they answer to God too.

Give onto Caesar what doesn't need to be hidden, please! We beg you!

But do continue to hide your corruptions in order to save face, if that is your necessity. There is no way that opening your books to the light of public witnessing would ever glorify your God. And we all know why.
What exemptions? What does monotheism have to do with anything?

Our books are open to any church member. What do you think we are hiding?
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Old 04-28-2016, 03:53 AM
 
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Exactly, so why should they be treated like they are just benevolent charity providers that must be trusted blindly and wholeheartedly?
Because churches are good for the community. They promote good citizenship and charity.
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Old 04-28-2016, 03:57 AM
 
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Abraham believed God.

It is certainly a temptation to trust in riches rather than God, but obviously not impossible.
Nothing is impossible with God... say the Muslim terrorists.
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Old 04-28-2016, 04:01 AM
 
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So does the Toyota company. Yet the government is all on top of their business.
Toyota also promotes citizenship and charity, just ask them.
Toyota is a for-profit business, not a charity. Their purpose is to make money for their shareholders. The church's purpose is to make better people. Our country has decided that is a worthwhile endeavor, and therefore offers tax exemption, etc. Freedom of religion is arguably the founding principle of our country.
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Old 04-28-2016, 04:03 AM
 
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What exemptions? What does monotheism have to do with anything?

Our books are open to any church member. What do you think we are hiding?
How coy. The tax exemptions. The Monotheists claim they don't need to answer to local/citizen government because they answer to their preferred imagined "highest power."

Good for you, my church tried to have it's books open too (by demonstrating their spending percentages in graphs, without clear proof though). Most of their spending was on proselytizing (gas money, printing, etc) and maintenance (rent, "salaries", etc).
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Old 04-28-2016, 04:05 AM
 
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Samson basically did a suicide bombing and God considered him a friend.
Lot was a drunkard and incestuous and God considered him a friend.
David was a polygamist and God considered him a friend.
Moses was a witch (magic tricks) and seditionist and God considered him a friend.

The list does go on. I mean really, what CAN'T a religious person use faith to excuse themselves on?
All of those people sought forgiveness from God, and were given grace. What about you?

Christianty is offensive to many because it requires us to confront our sin.
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Old 04-28-2016, 04:08 AM
 
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How coy. The tax exemptions. The Monotheists claim they don't need to answer to local/citizen government because they answer to their preferred imagined "highest power."

Good for you, my church tried to have it's books open too (by demonstrating their spending percentages in graphs, without clear proof though). Most of their spending was on proselytizing (gas money, printing, etc) and maintenance (rent, "salaries", etc).
Yes, our mission is to share the gospel. That costs money. Someone has to lead. Can you start and run a hospital or university by yourself, with no money?
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Old 04-28-2016, 04:10 AM
 
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Toyota is a for-profit business, not a charity. Their purpose is to make money for their shareholders. The church's purpose is to make better people. Our country has decided that is a worthwhile endeavor, and therefore offers tax exemption, etc. Freedom of religion is arguably the founding principle of our country.
And yet Toyota does charity. And as far as I'm aware, Churches can have for-profit bank accounts (which non-profits are not really allowed to have).
Toyota can simply say their purpose is to make better people. Do they deserve special tax exemptions then?
"Our country has decided" many ugly things, this "special privilege" status is just a hang-nail from when States ran churches (thus they were tax-exempt to begin with).

Shouldn't all companies who do some charity and say their purpose is to make better people receive the same privileges that religious corporations get?

Freedom of religion and "special tax exemption for religious endeavors" are hardly the same thing. And where is the freedom of religion for random cults who want random things, such as marijuana use? None for them because no one lobbies for them as much.
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Old 04-28-2016, 04:15 AM
 
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Yes, our mission is to share the gospel. That costs money. Someone has to lead. Can you start and run a hospital or university by yourself, with no money?
Why is your mission tax-exempt and other secular missions are not? Is tax-exemption really a separation or is it more like a special privilege?

Money is useful for worldly secular things: like religion, hospitals, universities, and crime.
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