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Old 06-07-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie View Post
There is a discussion of obeying one's conscience. If we believe that it is sinful for us to engage in said activity, we should not do it.
How convenient. And I doubt this baker every did anything deemed sinful by the religious tenets he follows. He only chooses to cite the need to obey his conscience when it suits him.

Years ago, I worked in a field that ultimately wound up being against my ethics. I left the field. Instead of having to deal with it on a frequent basis, I did something else instead. Maybe that's not a good solution for this baker, but there are solutions other than discrimination.

 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:07 AM
 
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How convenient. And I doubt this baker every did anything deemed sinful by the religious tenets he follows. He only chooses to cite the need to obey his conscience when it suits him.

Years ago, I worked in a field that ultimately wound up being against my ethics. I left the field. Instead of having to deal with it on a frequent basis, I did something else instead. Maybe that's not a good solution for this baker, but there are solutions other than discrimination.
You'd have to ask the baker. But our Constitution allows for a man to freely practice his religion without interference from the government. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but that's how it is. His rights are as important as anyone else's rights.

As for him leaving the field? He's a baker. He's probably been baking cakes for many years. For years no one had an issue with him until he was targeted by a couple of activists.

If he was an employee in a bakery that agreed to bake the cake and he refused, then he should be fired -- at the employer's discretion. He has no rights to a job. He has a right to practice his religion.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Social justice to support a sinful lifestyle is not justice or progress. No business owner should have to be forced to engage on any level involving an immoral ceremony.
There is not one definition of what is sinful. What if I think your posts are sinful?
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:23 AM
 
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There is not one definition of what is sinful. What if I think your posts are sinful?
I imagine you're welcome to practice your religion and simply not read Jeff's posts.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes View Post
Wrong as usual. You do not have the right to be bigoted. You still have freedom of religion.

It is the religious who are trying to chip away at the rights of others.
Would you be bigoted against fathers marrying their daughters?
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:27 AM
 
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Please show where I defended the coffee shop owner.

Yet another baseless claim from a notorious spouter of same.
I said I don't recall you protesting against the coffee shop owner. Same thing really.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I said I don't recall you protesting against the coffee shop owner. Same thing really.

Only to a certain level of intellect.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I imagine you're welcome to practice your religion and simply not read Jeff's posts.
No, the question is -- if I think Jeff's posts are sinful, should I be able to discriminate against him.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 09:57 AM
 
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No, the question is -- if I think Jeff's posts are sinful, should I be able to discriminate against him.
Yes---you can choose not to pay attention to him.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Yes---you can choose not to pay attention to him.
Not paying attention to somebody is not discrimination.

If I think someone's opinion and behavior about religion is sinful, should I be able to discriminate against them?
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