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Then let's review your thinking. Does the fact that OT law sanctions slavery mean that slavery is required? No, it des not, it only establishes rules for the operation of the institution when it is in place. THEREFORE there is no violation of OT law if the institution is NOT in place. Are you following? Your post has no merit in reason.
No one but you is talking about slavery being required. But the OT says not only that slavery is allowed, it says how slaves and servants are to be treated. The US law says slavery is not allowed. So the US law does not follow the laws of the OT.
I know this may come as a surprise to many...but some people have morals and convictions. And it's less about discriminating as it is choosing to act according to those morals and convictions.
By breaking the law. Brilliant morals on display there.
I love that Transponder sees it as forcing our values when it was the gay couple that came into his store and demanded that he compromise his values. They are the ones forcing their values onto us!
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Agreed. Tolerance tends to be a one way street with most people, the left included.
You may be beginning to get it. Now realize that what is not being tolerated here is systematic and historical INtolerance of certain classes that leads to unfair discrimination.
Hey, that's the purpose of law: to impose conformity to fair standards.
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No one but you is talking about slavery being required. But the OT says not only that slavery is allowed, it says how slaves and servants are to be treated. The US law says slavery is not allowed. So the US law does not follow the laws of the OT.
lmao, slavery again. slavery is a dead issue. I don't know any christians, nor have I met any christians, that think slavery is reasonable under normal conditions.
lmao, slavery again. slavery is a dead issue. I don't know any christians, nor have I met any christians, that think slavery is reasonable under normal conditions.
You miss the points.
1) Slavery is immoral, therefore the OT laws are not moral.
2) The US says slavery is illegal, therefore it is not following the OT laws.
Therefore what the fundamentalists here are saying is false.
I know this may come as a surprise to many...but some people have morals and convictions. And it's less about discriminating as it is choosing to act according to those morals and convictions.
You seem to have the absurd opinion that there are only one set of morals. Throughout this country, and even more so throughout this world, there are various "sets" of morals. The Baptists have a different set of morals than the Mormons. The Mormons a different set of morals than the Muslims. The Muslims a different set of morals than the Buddhists. And so forth. Clearly, Baptist morality was once greatly in err since the Southern Baptists -- "the world's largest Baptist denomination, the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, and the second-largest Christian denomination in the United States" -- supported slavery...and don't tell us that they didn't, because if they didn't the church body wouldn't have formally apologized for "its racist roots and apologizing for its past defense of slavery, segregation, and white supremacy". And that just shows you that morality is fluid. Heck, today they've even denounced the alt-right movement.
And all that doesn't even discuss personal morality.
but, can, should, they refuse to make a cake for a black supremacist group?
I mean "gay" yes, yo have to sell, I see that. but whats the line?
The "line" in law is legally protected groups specified because of historical and systematic discrimination. "Moral" lines are less specific.
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