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Sadly, I blame Osteen and other churches like him for the damage they've done to Christianity.
It's education. Well, it is in most of the developed world anyway. In America I'm not so sure. Christianity has had it's day. Yahweh and Jesus have a nice spot reserved for them on the dusty shelf labelled 'Mythology'....and not before time too!
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So is it reasonably and logically correct to conclude that entire universe and whatever is in it, came together by chance?
...and your explanation for the universe is more logical and reasonable??
More intelligent? No. More superstitious, yes. That's why religion worked so much better in those days.
With science, I believe in a world of possibilities, by the way. We learn more and more, we know more and more, we create more and more and it is amazing and wonderful.
But what if I am more stupid than a serf? What does that have to do with religion for the purposes of this discussion? I'm not sure I understand the point. But sure, I may he less intelligent than some random person from the middle ages, if that's what you're curious about. (Shrug) My intelligence level doesn't change fact from being fact nor mythology from being mythology, I'm afraid.
Can you name a few things that humans thought were a myth or unrealistic or even impossible in the past, but our increasing knowledge of science (as you said, "more and more"), actually made it happen?
Can you name a few things that humans thought were a myth or unrealistic or even impossible in the past, but our increasing knowledge of science (as you said, "more and more"), actually made it happen?
Are you saying we're on the edge of creating God? "Made it happen"?
Can you name a few things that people once believed had mystical/magical/celestial origins, that turned out to have perfectly reasonable, scientific explantations? I can.
You could see that if less people go to church , then there will be less faith , and if this is the Texas area were there are many storms like hurricanes will blow right through as God cannot stop them if faith has waned , and the liberal will blame climate change ......... Like the Houston area sees many storms usher in to tornado ally to the north east
You could see that if less people go to church , then there will be less faith , and if this is the Texas area were there are many storms like hurricanes will blow right through as God cannot stop them if faith has waned , and the liberal will blame climate change ......... Like the Houston area sees many storms usher in to tornado ally to the north east
Oh dear!! Really! It's this sort of mind-set that has made America the laughing stock of the world!
... and since when has an allegedly omnimax deity been 'unable' to do something?
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You could see that if less people go to church , then there will be less faith , and if this is the Texas area were there are many storms like hurricanes will blow right through as God cannot stop them if faith has waned , and the liberal will blame climate change ......... Like the Houston area sees many storms usher in to tornado ally to the north east
Comments like this put the "fun" in fundamentalist. And people like this are allowed to vote.
Christianity does a very good job of damaging it's image all on it's own.
What specifically has Osteen done to damage christianity?
Back in the day I would have accused Osteen of promulgating the Prosperity Gospel and a certain amount of moral relativism and a doctrine whose main criteria is generating "feelgood" for adherents rather than inspiring them to be Better People.
I am pretty sure that is the objection to Osteen you'll hear from most evangelicals. Not muscular enough, too soft on sin, appealing to people's greed rather than to their guilt, no call to holiness and separation from the "World".
Of course that is rather like asking why Chevy owners object to Ford owners when the real question is why American automobile manufacturing of the 1960's thru about the 1990s and arguably to today, produces craptastic products relative to many foreign competitors.
Except of course that the cars in this metaphor are all imaginary and exist only in the form of asserted dogma anyway ;-)
I am not a fan and really don't know that much about him other than his wife making a scene while on-board a Continental flight out of Houston.
I grew up in Houston attending concerts and shows at the Coliseum, the Coliseum was also home to the Houston Rockets...then Joel Osteen bought it and turned it into his mega church.
The Coliseum holds many fond memories for me. I enjoyed many shows, conventions, basketball games and concerts there.
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It's this sort of mind-set that has made America the laughing stock of the world!
