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Old 06-14-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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Many scholars believe that the book of Genesis was written well after Deuteronomy and Leviticus, partially to give the Jews a history.

God's admonition to take all animals two by two, but those that were 'clean' take seven by seven seems incongruent with what Noah would have known. The dietary laws were not handed down until much later, according to the bible, so Noah could not have known about them. The only way those passages could have been put into Genesis is if that book was written after Moses got them.

So, fundamentalists, what say you?
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Old 06-14-2016, 09:45 AM
 
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It's very normal that it's a custom before it's a law. God's likes and dislikes were conveyed verbally before they became laws at Moses time.

The other possibility is that if God can communicate with Moses then He can tell what happened at anytime for Moses to write them down.

Why should this be written down after other books? Don't see where your logic is, unless it's under the assumption that God doesn't exist, if so you don't even need to mention the Bible when it's said to be God's Word.


So now your premise of the argument should be "under the assumption that God doesn't exist, how possible that Genesis was written before other books."
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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It's very normal that it's a custom before it's a law. God's likes and dislikes were conveyed verbally before they became laws at Moses time.

The other possibility is that if God can communicate with Moses then He can tell what happened at anytime for Moses to write them down.

Why should this be written down after other books? Don't see where your logic is, unless it's under the assumption that God doesn't exist, if so you don't even need to mention the Bible when it's said to be God's Word.


So now your premise of the argument should be "under the assumption that God doesn't exist, how possible that Genesis was written before other books."
God gave the dietary laws to Moses at Mount Sinai, not Noah. Could some of the practices have existed (not eating pork as example)? Sure.

But that did not define what is said to be a god given command. Noah could not have known which animals were clean and which were not. Besides which, Noah was not Jewish. Abraham came AFTER the flood. As did the allowance to eat meat, so again, the clean-unclean rule was irrelevant.

The only thing that make sense is that Genesis was written well after Deuteronomy and Leviticus.
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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God gave the dietary laws to Moses at Mount Sinai, not Noah. Could some of the practices have existed (not eating pork as example)? Sure.

But that did not define what is said to be a god given command. Noah could not have known which animals were clean and which were not. Besides which, Noah was not Jewish. Abraham came AFTER the flood. As did the allowance to eat meat, so again, the clean-unclean rule was irrelevant.

The only thing that make sense is that Genesis was written well after Deuteronomy and Leviticus.
It's a history, God may have told Noah what is clean and what is not. Then later He told Moses to make it a law. Why not?

Jesus ever said, Mosaic Law is given so, such as how one taking over of his brother's wives, may be because the Jews' hearts were hardened. That is, before Moses it already became a custom that one took over his brother's wives once his brother died. So it's very possible that there are a lot of other customs of the Jews later on became laws defined by Moses.
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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It's a history, God may have told Noah what is clean and what is not. Then later He told Moses to make it a law. Why not?
A story - not a history.
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:25 AM
 
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A story - not a history.
In your baseless faith it might be.
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Old 06-14-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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In your baseless faith it might be.
No "might" about it.

It's a cautionary tale for children, or the determinedly childlike.
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Old 06-14-2016, 01:14 PM
 
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Noah didn't pick them. They came to the arc. They were already pre-screened:

and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood.
8 Of clean animals, of animals that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth,
9v two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah
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Old 06-14-2016, 01:32 PM
 
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Many scholars believe that the book of Genesis was written well after Deuteronomy and Leviticus, partially to give the Jews a history.

God's admonition to take all animals two by two, but those that were 'clean' take seven by seven seems incongruent with what Noah would have known. The dietary laws were not handed down until much later, according to the bible, so Noah could not have known about them. The only way those passages could have been put into Genesis is if that book was written after Moses got them.

So, fundamentalists, what say you?
Since Moses was the one who wrote it, I have no problem believing that he was writing that as a summary statement of what God told Noah.
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Old 06-14-2016, 01:42 PM
 
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Pity what he told Moses was wrong. Or was that Moses' fault?
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