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Old 06-20-2016, 04:20 PM
 
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::Sigh::The ONLY way God intervenes here physically is through other human beings.



Then those that claim certain events (such as an earthquake) are all part of 'gods plan' must be full of it, right?


Can't have a god with a plan that affects humans physically if the only way he intervenes is through other human beings.
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:22 PM
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Pathetic jimmie. Just pathetic. You are right. People who once believed are mad when they figure out it's all a delusion and wake-up. It's a natural human response but yet you like so many Christians want to make excuses for Bible God if it exists.
This is pathetic (bolded below).

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Others will go on living in this fairytale world they construct out of the personal beliefs of how God operates that their pastor preaches to them fro the pulpit--thinking God hears their prayers and answers them accordingly when He doesn't. If they can live happily with that kind of life more power to them. It makes the process of death a heck of a lot easier believing God is holding your hand when you're ready to die than it does knowing you're all alone when death comes calling.
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:28 PM
 
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This is pathetic (bolded below).
I agree. They always have to use condescending language like "fairy tale" to prop up their own delusions.
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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::Sigh::The ONLY way God intervenes here physically is through other human beings. The only direct interventions are spiritually in our heart and mind (consciousness). You are continuously encountering others who present ways of understanding God and your relationship to Him. You seem deaf to them in your frustration and anger so you are missing any possibilities to hear His actual answers for you. You want God to do all the work of finding Him among the many beliefs ABOUT Him out there. As long as your mind is closeted off by your frustration and anger at the many absurd beliefs ABOUT God, you will miss the truth when you encounter it.
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Then those that claim certain events (such as an earthquake) are all part of 'gods plan' must be full of it, right?
Absolutely. Our ignorant primitive ancestors blamed EVERYTHING on God including their own decisions and actions. Why that absurd belief has lasted into the 21st century is beyond me!
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Can't have a god with a plan that affects humans physically if the only way he intervenes is through other human beings.
Not necessarily. We have been given Dominion on the earth within the constraints of God's physical laws. Noone would claim we haven't exercised that in myriad ways, both positive and negative.
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:35 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I agree. They always have to use condescending language like "fairy tale" to prop up their own delusions.
If someone does not believe that the stories in the Bible are factually true, then what other term are they supposed to use to describe them except fairy tale and myth?

Isn't that what you would call stories from ancient Greek or Hindu religion? How is that condescending?
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:39 PM
 
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I lost mine in like 3rd grade. The whole you go to hell thang; when we were made as we are? not.
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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I agree. They always have to use condescending language like "fairy tale" to prop up their own delusions.

I suppose it is condescending, but he thinks what you believe IS a fairytale, or else he'd still believe it himself. I guess it would be hard not to be condescending about other adults accepting something that you think is obviously make believe. If you have confidence that he is wrong, it probably shouldn't bother you too much what he thinks about it, yeah? Relax.

That doesn't mean I necessarily agree with him that God has no interaction with humanity, but I surely can understand why he feels/thinks the way he does.
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Old 06-20-2016, 04:59 PM
 
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Btw, I have no concern if you have a belief in a God or not...
I agree. Whatever you think is true about God is true for you (unless/until you change your mind), Thrill. Are you wanting someone to try to convince you to change your mind? Or are you content with the conclusion you've reached?
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Old 06-20-2016, 07:42 PM
 
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Yes.

If the OP didn't want comments, he/she should not have posted on a public forum.
Fair enough. But the comments can also expect comments. We see the rather inevitable false rationale of "mad at God" or "something must be wrong with the fellow" in order to avoid the unwelcome conclusion that he could no longer brainwash himself into believing what was not worthy of belief.
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Old 06-20-2016, 07:47 PM
 
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::Sigh::1. The ONLY way God intervenes here physically is through other human beings. The only direct interventions are spiritually in our heart and mind (consciousness). You are continuously encountering others who present ways of understanding God and your relationship to Him. 2. You seem deaf to them in your frustration and anger so you are missing any possibilities to hear His actual answers for you. 3. You want God to do all the work of finding Him among the many beliefs ABOUT Him out there. As long as your mind is closeted off by your frustration and anger at the many absurd beliefs ABOUT God, you will miss the truth when you encounter it.
1. The Christian politburo that has ruled the church for 1700 years made it a point to make a dumbed-down populace believe that God is present but we cannot see Him in action. Very convenient. If He cannot be seen in action then how do we know if He's really working other than just to accept it by faith. Let me tell you: "the just shall live by faith" was a rule developed by the church to fool people into believing God was present when their leaders couldn't produce a dime's worth of evidence He was. So what else could they say to make people believe God was here? FAITH. Voila. No proof needed. Just faith. What's the difference between me having faith in Krishna and you having faith in Jesus? In the end the results are the same: nothing. Christians say Jesus answered their prayers, Krishnas claim Krishnas answered theirs, but in the end I have to take your word and the word of the Krishna because neither of you can produce a shred of tangible evidence you're the one that is right. That's how faith operates. Anyone who doesn't see that faith is just a clever ruse is a rube.

2. You assume there's a chance God will call down to me. He hasn't yet, why should I suspect He is going to anytime in the near future. Have you ever asked yourself why millions of Americans and Europeans are just walking away from faith? The single biggest reason is that they see no tangible evidence of a God and God apparently is perfectly okay with losing millions of His followers because He doesn't lift a finger to stop them.

3. I want God to do at least half the work. That's how any relationship works, but He doesn't even meet me halfway. He expects me to do all the work and then what do I get for my troubles? Nothing. If my mind is closed off it's because God closed it off by His complete inaction in trying to open it for me.
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