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Old 06-25-2016, 07:36 AM
 
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Awwww. Those poor poor things. What is more important to them? Money, or their religious beliefs.
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Old 06-25-2016, 07:38 AM
 
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Well, then, it's a topic I would prefer not to touch.
No worries...I can educate myself.
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Old 06-25-2016, 07:39 AM
 
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Awwww. Those poor poor things. What is more important to them? Money, or their religious beliefs.
Why do you believe atheistic, or secular institutions are more deserving of federal assistance than anyone else? Why is one worldview more deserving of another?
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Old 06-25-2016, 07:57 AM
 
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Well, really the comparative methods of debate tend to show why.
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Old 06-25-2016, 08:03 AM
 
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We keep getting told the slippery slope isn't real. We keep getting told that all gay people want is to be treated equal. But we see the continued attack on common sense and innocent people. What is wrong with simply wanting to protect the innocent person that wants to use a bathroom in private? What is wrong with wanting to respect everyone ELSE?

I have no doubt that in the next few years we will see a church sued for not performing a same-sex wedding. It's where things are going. This whole bathroom thing is simply a distraction. There is a much bigger fight going on.
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Old 06-25-2016, 08:18 AM
 
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Why do you believe atheistic, or secular institutions are more deserving of federal assistance than anyone else? Why is one worldview more deserving of another?
Because one wishes to discriminate, and the other does not. It is not about who deserves. It is a matter of law. Institutions taking our tax dollars are not allowed to descriminate.

All they have to do is stop taking taxpayer dollars. It is that simple.

They seem to value money more than their religious beliefs. Seems odd.
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Old 06-25-2016, 08:32 AM
 
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We keep getting told the slippery slope isn't real. We keep getting told that all gay people want is to be treated equal. But we see the continued attack on common sense and innocent people. What is wrong with simply wanting to protect the innocent person that wants to use a bathroom in private? What is wrong with wanting to respect everyone ELSE?

I have no doubt that in the next few years we will see a church sued for not performing a same-sex wedding. It's where things are going. This whole bathroom thing is simply a distraction. There is a much bigger fight going on.
If your church takes tax exemption, it means you value money more than your religious beliefs. If a gay couple of a any faith wishes to get married in their Church, and they are denied, be prepared to lose your exemption.
Sooner or later this issue will go to the Supremes. It will be a tax issue, not a marriage issue.

Bathrooms are private Viz. They have doors. Children should never go to a public toilet by themselves in the first place. The issue is designed to discriminate against the LGBTQ community. I think public bathrooms should have no gender assignment, and the claims of imminent danger is fear mongering.
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Old 06-25-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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Because one wishes to discriminate, and the other does not. It is not about who deserves. It is a matter of law. Institutions taking our tax dollars are not allowed to descriminate.
That's exactly what I've said. Atheists are allowed to discriminate based on their worldview.
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All they have to do is stop taking taxpayer dollars. It is that simple.

They seem to value money more than their religious beliefs. Seems odd.
Why do we have to give up our 1st Amendment rights, when someone that believes God does not exist and operates from that worldview does not?
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Old 06-25-2016, 08:35 AM
 
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If your church takes tax exemption, it means you value money more than your religious beliefs. If a gay couple of a any faith wishes to get married in their Church, and they are denied, be prepared to lose your exemption.
Sooner or later this issue will go to the Supremes. It will be a tax issue, not a marriage issue.
And when that day comes, I'm afraid my church will lose their tax exempt status. It will severely harm our ability to operate. I believe God is in control and Christianity will not cease to exist.
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Bathrooms are private Viz. They have doors. Children should never go to a public toilet by themselves in the first place. The issue is designed to discriminate against the LGBTQ community. I think public bathrooms should have no gender assignment, and the claims of imminent danger is fear mongering.
So you think that the mythical LGBTQ rights take precedence over 1st Amendment rights?

I get it that we cannot use our rights to walk on the rights of others...but why is it ok to do the opposite? Why are other rights more important than our 1st Amendment rights?
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Old 06-25-2016, 08:37 AM
 
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That's exactly what I've said. Atheists are allowed to discriminate based on their worldview.


Why do we have to give up our 1st Amendment rights, when someone that believes God does not exist and operates from that worldview does not?
I am not Atheist. Your assumptions about faith are moot.

Your first amendments rights end where mine begin. We both have them and there are limits.

You value money more than your religious beliefs. Just admit it.
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