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I started this as a post in the " What if there were no Bible " thread , then decided I would rather have this out on its own as a separate thread . It is based on a remark or saying I read a year or so ago but cannot find who said it . It goes something to the effect of
If religion were erased from the memory of human history today , it is doubtful it would be created again because man has enough knowledge of the universe now it would not need to assign unknown things it didn't understand to invisible gods . If science were erased from the memory of human history today, it would surely be recreated because science is about understanding the universe around us and how it works , and the human mind would eventually figure it all out again back to the point we are today .
If religion were erased from the memory of human history today , it is doubtful it would be created again because man has enough knowledge of the universe now it would not need to assign unknown things it didn't understand to invisible gods . If science were erased from the memory of human history today, it would surely be recreated because science is about understanding the universe around us and how it works , and the human mind would eventually figure it all out again back to the point we are today .
of course religion would be re-created, because a human is more than just a body, it is also a soul. you see only the physical, that is your limited view, and that is science's limited view. it deals only with the superficial.
back of everything physical is spirit which caused it to come into form.
until a person understands that they are only dealing with the superficial.
science is light years behind in that regard.
If religion were erased from the memory of human history today , it is doubtful it would be created again because man has enough knowledge of the universe now it would not need to assign unknown things it didn't understand to invisible gods.
That may be true. But I think there will always be a certain percentage of humans who will never accept their state of ultimate insignificance and unimportance in the universe. Their egos will not allow it.
So, some form of a supernatural belief systems will probably continue to be invented again and again to fulfill this need in humans. It is unclear whether the noble lie will ever completely die out.
of course religion would be re-created, because a human is more than just a body, it is also a soul. you see only the physical, that is your limited view, and that is science's limited view. it deals only with the superficial.
back of everything physical is spirit which caused it to come into form.
until a person understands that they are only dealing with the superficial.
science is light years behind in that regard.
of course religion would be re-created, because a human is more than just a body, it is also a soul. you see only the physical, that is your limited view, and that is science's limited view. it deals only with the superficial.
back of everything physical is spirit which caused it to come into form.
until a person understands that they are only dealing with the superficial.
science is light years behind in that regard.
All of this is pure speculation on your part . I'm not knocking it, or you for believing, but it's all subjective opinion without a shred of factual evidence behind it .
People assume religion would be reinvented , but would it if society had no knowledge of it to begin with and were advanced past the point of attributing physical phenomena to invisible gods due to a lack of scientific knowledge ? Those that claim this operate from a culturally biased mindset of accepting religion as valid . What if this mindset didn't exist , and the concept of invisible beings affecting humans lives was not known ? What then would be the impetus for creating a god ? If you understand that all natural phenomena have natural scientific explanations, what then becomes the root cause of creating a religion that does not yet exist ? Remember here, all memory of religion has been erased , and full scientific understanding, or as full as our understanding is today at any rate , informs us of all natural phenomena . In this case, what becomes the basis for believing in invisible supernatural beings ?
All of this is pure speculation on your part . I'm not knocking it, or you for believing, but it's all subjective opinion without a shred of factual evidence behind it .
And not surprisingly, you seem incapable of comprehending the fact that the exact same thing is equally true of your opening post.
....advanced past the point of attributing physical phenomena to invisible gods due to a lack of scientific knowledge ? Those that claim this operate from a culturally biased mindset of accepting religion as valid . What if this mindset didn't exist , and the concept of invisible beings affecting humans lives was not known ? What then would be the impetus for creating a god ? If you understand that all natural phenomena have natural scientific explanations, what then becomes the root cause of creating a religion that does not yet exist ? Remember here, all memory of religion has been erased , and full scientific understanding, or as full as our understanding is today at any rate , informs us of all natural phenomena . In this case, what becomes the basis for believing in invisible supernatural beings ?
because there is more to our existence than "nature"
there is more to being human than the physical
and we know that at the core of our being
its not about inventing anything
it is about remembering where we come from and why we are here
And not surprisingly, you seem incapable of comprehending the fact that the exact same thing is equally true of your opening post.
Ah Albert, you've returned .
My opening post simply relates an idea I read once . Another thread caused me to recall this statement, and I thought it made for a good discussion topic .
You are welcome to address the actual topic whenever you feel capable
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because there is more to our existence than "nature"
there is more to being human than the physical
and we know that at the core of our being
its not about inventing anything
it is about remembering where we come from and why we are here
This sounds nice , spiritual , and all, but isn't actually supported by any evidence . Almost every form of ancient religion, if not every form , was based on influencing invisible gods thought to affect human existence . From appeasement of angry gods who seemingly brought destruction through various natural disasters , to appeals to gods to affect things like crops or other aspects of daily life , everything stemmed from a desire to appease or appeal to the gods for favor . Religions designed to improve the spirit or soul of humans came later as religion moved past the animism stage and developed a little . If this mindset is eliminated because modern man understands the scientific processes of nature , what becomes the impetus of religion?
Not all cultures developed gods . The Chinese are largely devoid of gods who influenced their lives from some point in their past when they moved past animism until Christian missionaries showed up . Stone Age tribes have been found who have no concept of religion or gods at all . Somehow they learned to deal with natural forces without attributing them to invisible gods , and so even today have no concept of invisible beings influencing human lives .
So the claim that even without the primitive attempt to understand the world that led to religion , that religion would still develop, is not borne out by the evidence of entire societies which develop devoid of supernatural gods .
Last edited by wallflash; 06-26-2016 at 11:30 AM..
I started this as a post in the " What if there were no Bible " thread , then decided I would rather have this out on its own as a separate thread . It is based on a remark or saying I read a year or so ago but cannot find who said it . It goes something to the effect of
If religion were erased from the memory of human history today , it is doubtful it would be created again because man has enough knowledge of the universe now it would not need to assign unknown things it didn't understand to invisible gods . If science were erased from the memory of human history today, it would surely be recreated because science is about understanding the universe around us and how it works , and the human mind would eventually figure it all out again back to the point we are today .
it would be here, just different. We have emotions and we have some of us that need rituals. Removing what we see as "religion" means there are no more humans. There would be no omni dude, but thats different.
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