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07-02-2016, 07:34 AM
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Bit by bit, Religious resistance to change is being eroded. Very soon the Fundy extremists will find themselves isolated loonies being laughed at, not soldiers of Christ leading the Armies of Right.
But the advert for Fuxit..sorry ..Brexit,..spoiled my breakXfast. I'm having a hard time living with the vote, no matter what happens now. |
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07-02-2016, 07:39 AM
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Heaven forbid a Christian website want to keep their membership exclusive to Bible believing Christians. I suppose you think churches should allow gay members as well, right? |
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07-02-2016, 08:01 AM
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Heaven forbid a Christian website want to keep their membership exclusive to Bible believing Christians. I suppose you think churches should allow gay members as well, right?
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The point is...whether churches think they should admit Gays (and LTB). Bit by bit, you are going to have to search further for a church that doesn't. |
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07-02-2016, 08:07 AM
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Heaven forbid a Christian website want to keep their membership exclusive to Bible believing Christians. I suppose you think churches should allow gay members as well, right?
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There are gay Christians. They do not interpret the Bible as you interpret the Bible. Jesus happens to be a very welcoming fellow. Jeff? Not so much. |
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07-02-2016, 09:49 AM
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I'm going to say I disagree with this ruling . This is a Christian site that is basically a club for Christian to find other like minded Christians on . If their beliefs are such that they think it wrong to facilitate gay encounters, then they should be allowed this . If other Christians want to create sites that cater to gay people also they would be free to do so .
There is truth to the fundie claim that some are trying to shove their beliefs down the throats of everyone . There is no reason for this except militant action by homosexuals to challenge those who don't agree with them at every turn .
Having said that , this is the result of a segment of Christianity abusing gays for decades or centuries . When the downtrodden get the upper hand , they almost always seek revenge instead of settling comfortably into getting along .
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07-02-2016, 10:08 AM
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Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Originally Posted by wallflash
I'm going to say I disagree with this ruling . This is a Christian site that is basically a club for Christian to find other like minded Christians on . If their beliefs are such that they think it wrong to facilitate gay encounters, then they should be allowed this . If other Christians want to create sites that cater to gay people also they would be free to do so .
There is truth to the fundie claim that some are trying to shove their beliefs down the throats of everyone . There is no reason for this except militant action by homosexuals to challenge those who don't agree with them at every turn .
Having said that , this is the result of a segment of Christianity abusing gays for decades or centuries . When the downtrodden get the upper hand , they almost always seek revenge instead of settling comfortably into getting along .
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The point you are missing is that this is a business, and the laws are pretty clear about what a business can and cannot do when it comes to discrimination. I suspect that the company, and its lawyers, explored any number of ways of getting around the judgement, including further appeals. The law is the law, and applies to everyone, and it really doesn't matter what you or I feel about it. I'm sure most of us disagree with many judgments that come down from the bench, but that doesn't change that those judgments apply to us. |
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07-02-2016, 10:11 AM
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That's a good point. Whether Churches or religious organisations should be allowed to opt out of the law on religious grounds has been a knotty one. It seems now that the situation is clarified. The Law says no discrimination and religious beliefs in NOT an excuse.
That said, compromises can be offered. if possible. A stewardess can be excused serving booze if another one can do the job. If the plane is too small , then she must find another job.
A registrar must issue marriage licenses to SS couple. A compromise means others can do it while she sits in her office reading the Bible at public expense.
A dating site cannot discriminate, but the compromise there is presumably that those who refuse to handle gay dating can be replaced by those who will. If they haven't any, then they had better hire some, damn' quick.
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07-02-2016, 10:26 AM
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Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
That's a good point. Whether Churches or religious organisations should be allowed to opt out of the law on religious grounds has been a knotty one. It seems now that the situation is clarified. The Law says no discrimination and religious beliefs in NOT an excuse.
That said, compromises can be offered. if possible. A stewardess can be excused serving booze if another one can do the job. If the plane is too small , then she must find another job.
A registrar must issue marriage licenses to SS couple. A compromise means others can do it while she sits in her office reading the Bible at public expense.
A dating site cannot discriminate, but the compromise there is presumably that those who refuse to handle gay dating can be replaced by those who will. If they haven't any, then they had better hire some, damn' quick.
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The only thing "christian" about this dating site is its name.
I can call a store "Jehovah's Sanctuary" and sell nothing but satanic ritual items. Putting the name "christian" in its title does not give it any 1st amendment rights. |
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07-02-2016, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cupper3
The point you are missing is that this is a business, and the laws are pretty clear about what a business can and cannot do when it comes to discrimination. I suspect that the company, and its lawyers, explored any number of ways of getting around the judgement, including further appeals. The law is the law, and applies to everyone, and it really doesn't matter what you or I feel about it. I'm sure most of us disagree with many judgments that come down from the bench, but that doesn't change that those judgments apply to us.
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I'm not arguing the law here, but the principle of it . I'm not sure what the laws are on online sites , whether they are considered public entities like a restaurant , or whether they would be more of a club that could set its own rules . None of this matters in principle though . This is a Christian site that objected to actually facilitating gays meeting and developing romantic relationships . There was no real need for these gay guys to go there . A quick check of the net shows that Christian gay dating sites exist , so these guys were not harmed or deprived by not being allowed to select other men at this site . This action is purely a militant one whose purpose is to attack those who don't accept gays .
To pretend this is about the principle of discrimination on the part of the gay men is naive . Its vindictive , nothing more . As I said, I understand the vindictiveness and feel it has been earned by some Christians for , unfortunately , most all Christians , but this doesn't make the actions of the gay guys any less vindictive . If you accept that they have the right to be vindictive , then so be it . But let's not pretend these guys are acting out of principle and feeling harmed by the inability to register as gays . There would not be any other gay men on the site obviously . It's about sticking it to the Christians for past behavior towards gays , and we should all be honest about that .
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