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Old 07-22-2016, 12:26 PM
 
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There is no such thing as "proof & facts"...not that is infallible, anyway.
Claiming "proof & facts" is bogus. You could be wrong...nothing is infallible.
All anyone has is "strong belief & trust" (FAITH) in ANY claim or assertion.
You claim "proof"...when you actually have no such thing. Nobody does, about anything.
Still trying to create a false equivalency between definition #1 and definition #2 eh?

 
Old 07-22-2016, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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No facts or evidence is infallible...the best you can ever have is a "strong belief & trust" (FAITH) that what you believe to be true, actually is.
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There is no such thing as "proof & facts"...not that is infallible, anyway.
I suggest you go and hold your head underwater for an hour without the use of breathing apparatus of any kind. I guarantee you that the objective verifiable evidence that you will in fact, drown, will prove to be true and infallible....
QED.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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Is this the dishonest trick where you take a word, take the definition(words often have more than one meaning) that everyone is clearly talking about, then use the same word to describe something else, but with a different definition? Then afterward pretend like that somehow makes the concepts conveyed by the different definitions of the word equivalent?
Oh no, now that is just not possible.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 12:36 PM
 
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Still trying to create a false equivalency between definition #1 and definition #2 eh?
Nope.
I've made this argument for years.
Do you claim there is "Absolutely Infallible" data or information?
If not...all you have is "strong belief and trust" (FAITH) in the validity of any claim or assertion.
"Facts VS Faith" is bogus. There is no such thing as "facts"...not infallible facts, anyway. You could be wrong. So...you always need FAITH.
Faith is belief without proof. There is no such thing as proof. So, if you believe something is true...you necessarily employ Faith to a greater or lesser degree.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Do you claim there is "Absolutely Infallible" data or information?
I do. I just gave you an example.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 12:40 PM
 
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I suggest you go and hold your head underwater for an hour without the use of breathing apparatus of any kind. I guarantee you that the objective verifiable evidence that you will in fact, drown, will prove to be true and infallible....
QED.
Nope...NOTHING is infallible.
You don't even really "know" for sure this whole Universe isn't a simulation...and none of it is real.
You, like me, just have FAITH it is real. It might not be.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Nope...NOTHING is infallible.
Then carry out my suggestion and prove me wrong. There are many thing where I will guarantee that the objective, verifiable evidence is infallible. Your daft mantra of 'nothing is infallible' simply doesn't hold water. It's plainly quite idiotic to claim that nothing is infallible. If I cut your head off and prevent medical assistance to you, you will die. I guarantee it. The objective, verifiable evidence that nobody has ever managed to survive without his head is infallible.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 12:52 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I do. I just gave you an example.
Gdnrule trying to make a case tinkering about with details, again.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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You can't have an honest conversation with a dishonest person.
 
Old 07-22-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Gdnrule trying to make a case tinkering about with details, again.
It think that occasionally he likes to to give the impression that he's intelligent. He falls flat on his face every time.
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